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Post by foreignball on Mar 12, 2024 23:41:13 GMT -5
So what did the coach do? Show that part of the video Maybe the moral of the story is don’t entrust an @$$%*!* to coach your kid NO, definitely it is not the case. Just the same as you can see a the clip I posted above. I can send you the whole game video but I guess 40+ min Min is going to get you bored. As a matter of fact - the couch is looking after them like freshly hatched chicken. I trust him my grandsons 100%. Again: What I can't accept was the saying " I screwed you up because I could". Again we are talking about 14 yo? |
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Post by foreignball on Mar 12, 2024 23:49:03 GMT -5
So what did the coach do? Show that part of the video Maybe the moral of the story is don’t entrust an @$$%*!* to coach your kid The same as you can see by the end of the game. Nothing else, I can send a full 40+ minutes video but I feel it would be boring. |
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Post by wilbur on Mar 13, 2024 0:54:16 GMT -5
Oh, I missed a detail : Have you noticed that right after the last serve when the libero was receiving in 6 a ball from the other court came in and the player who was in 1 had to chase it? ....No replay was called??? Anyway, now I'm having issues trying to figure out the meaning of "sportsmanship" This bappens all the time in boys tournament, if ia player can clear the ball without affecting the play they do it. It is great to see boys do it and not try to stop play to gain an advantage that is not warranted |
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Post by wilbur on Mar 13, 2024 0:59:22 GMT -5
Thank you all for the honest responses. I'm not going to file that in a court of law. My problem: after the final whistle when the ref came down from the chair, he said loudly " You have to say thank you to your coach"??? He said that at the FACES OF THE PLAYERS!!! It was all about some previous plays that he did or he didn't call and our coach reacted emotionally. OK you have yellow and red cards, you can send the coach out. Why would you punish the players??? A personal observation: The boys didn't even figured out what was going on. They were thinking it was a fair competition.  Next: how one could say that to 14 years old??? I do have video footage but it is irrelevant in this case. The boys practice, go to tournaments and all of a sudden they realize that their work doesn't matter at all because there is a "higher power". What moral we, the adults teach the young generation? We just show them that one can get screwed at any time, no matter what. Thanks again! Terrible reaction by a ref, that is as blatant as I have seen but I don't believe the coach is innocent. The ref should have been more professional and not taken retrobution at the kids expense but no way the coach didn't cross some sort of line. You can see the way he is reacting in the video he reqlized he picked the wrong ref to argue with. Edit: I pesonally would send this video clip along with what you think the ref said and background story to the ref coordinator of the tournament. It is not OK what he did and you are right, if the coach was truely out of line he should have given the yellow/red and removed the coach from the game. That does hurt the team and result in a lost point. But it is also something that will have to be explained to the directors and either he doesn't know proper protocol or wanted to avoid the process and further scrutiny. Also, if this wasn't a medal match, this just a minor setback for the kids and learning experience. They look like a good team and I hope they finish the season strong. |
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Post by sydneyoperahouse on Mar 13, 2024 1:49:06 GMT -5
I think what it comes down to for me:
Obviously the referee was in the wrong. But the role of the coach is to be a role model for the kids, I personally feel, in the short clip provided, he fell short. Secondly, the coach also needs to help the kids win. In this game it is apparent that the coach was a hinderance to the teams success with the disagreements leading to the actions taken by the referee.
A bad situation all around. Please do tell a referee coordinator about this, but also recognize that at the end of the day this situation was altogther avoidable.
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Post by northern14 on Mar 13, 2024 9:11:58 GMT -5
Hi Everybody, I need some help: I know a lot people here are coaches, refs, etc. May I ask for analysis of this short 40 sec video clip? What is right, what is wrong, etc. I’m trying to get an anonymous and unbiased opinion. The only fact I can share – the teams there are U14. Thank you in advance! Few Points: 1) Why is this in the AAU/USAV forum, did this have anything to do with with AAU/USAV? The answer is a resounding No! 2) By only showing a 40 second clip you create a narrative in which you want us to think to ref is a scum bag, but in reality there are a variety of factors to determine why the events in the 40 second clip transpired. 3) Unless this is a regular occurrence with this ref or this was just a heat of the moment thing the ref coordinator won't do anything likely at most will talk to the ref. 4) You never upstage the ref given he will of course take it out on the team/coach and there is nothing they can do without sounding like a bunch of whiney people. 5) Should the first call been called a carry/lift? Probably not given there 14 year old's its a borderline call in a tight match, unless he has made similar calls the entire game. Second call was more justifiable is more a carry/lift. 6) Lastly, the kids are 14 year's old, this wont effect college's recruiting them. Little Timmy or Billy will still have the same opportunities to get notice and recruited by coaches as the kids on the winning side do. |
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Post by samvb on Mar 13, 2024 12:03:35 GMT -5
Hi Everybody, I need some help: I know a lot people here are coaches, refs, etc. May I ask for analysis of this short 40 sec video clip? What is right, what is wrong, etc. I’m trying to get an anonymous and unbiased opinion. The only fact I can share – the teams there are U14. Thank you in advance! Full match reverse angle from one of the clubs on this court. It's a recent AAU tournament in the midwest. To northern14 's point, this probably could have been a new thread. Just me but neither call should have been called. The second ball maybe had some wrist recoil but it's a play on for me. I've only gone back a few points but about three minutes before the first catch/throw call, the orange side coach wanted a call on the other team. The left side was moving backwards while attempting to play ball 2 off an errant pass. The ball rolled off his hands. The orange side coach wasn't too pleased. What makes all this worse is the positioning of the R1 on the bench side where a coach can easily talk to the R1. |
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Post by foreignball on Mar 13, 2024 17:10:25 GMT -5
Here is a clip where the red team problems started - the 2nd ball was not a double, it was a triple. Unfortunately the quality is very poor.
For those who have time to watch, the whole game is here however the camera angle is fixed i.e. it doesn't cover everything.
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Post by YugoNation on Mar 15, 2024 16:14:22 GMT -5
Ok bringing the thread back to AAU Nationals: For all the data please go here: Boys Nationals 2024Couple of quick observations: * 1251 teams signed up! * 38 states, plus Puerto Rico, St. Croix and Canada represented  Here are the top states represented: California 285 Illinois 165 Florida 121 Wisconsin 56 New York 52 Ohio 44 Pennsylvania 41 Texas 40 * Biggest Clubs MOD Volleyball Club 21 Bay to Bay Volleyball Club 21 Mountain View Volleyball Club 19 630 Volleyball 19 Sports Performance 18 Ultimate VBC-Chicago 17 Winter Park Volleyball Club 16 High Performance STL 16 The Academy Volleyball Club 15 Cincinnati Attack 15 Miami United Volleyball 14 Houston Volleyball Academy 13 Pipeline VC 13 Wave Volleyball Club 13 Red Rock Volleyball Club 13 Milwaukee Sting 12 Warren Sixpak 12 Energy VBC 12 Cheers and lets #growthegame! |
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Post by akbar on Mar 15, 2024 18:25:01 GMT -5
Ok bringing the thread back to AAU Nationals: For all the data please go here: Boys Nationals 2024Couple of quick observations: * 1251 teams signed up! * 38 states, plus Puerto Rico, St. Croix and Canada represented Here are the top states represented: California 285 Illinois 165 Florida 121 Wisconsin 56 New York 52 Ohio 44 Pennsylvania 41 Texas 40 * Biggest Clubs MOD Volleyball Club 21 Bay to Bay Volleyball Club 21 Mountain View Volleyball Club 19 630 Volleyball 19 Sports Performance 18 Ultimate VBC-Chicago 17 Winter Park Volleyball Club 16 High Performance STL 16 The Academy Volleyball Club 15 Cincinnati Attack 15 Miami United Volleyball 14 Houston Volleyball Academy 13 Pipeline VC 13 Wave Volleyball Club 13 Red Rock Volleyball Club 13 Milwaukee Sting 12 Warren Sixpak 12 Energy VBC 12 Cheers and lets #growthegame! Awesome! |
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Post by foreignball on Mar 16, 2024 0:22:48 GMT -5
Case closed: After a complaint filed by the club administration the up referee is suspended from officiating until the end of the this season by both JVA and AAU. He's pending a review for the 2024/25 season. I'm glad the system is still working...sometimes :-)
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Post by YugoNation on Apr 11, 2024 14:59:00 GMT -5
Incredible growth of boys volleyball continues: 1285 teams signed up for AAU nationals (322 teams more than last year) Quick ReviewFor full spreadsheet Boys Nationals 2024Awesome work everyone! |
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Post by nakedcrayon on Apr 11, 2024 22:45:18 GMT -5
Still a while to sign up left
and they will have plenty of room because of the two sessions
I am hoping Indy takes off next fall during Thanksgiving break as well
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Post by couchanalyst on Apr 12, 2024 15:22:26 GMT -5
Incredible growth of boys volleyball continues: 1285 teams signed up for AAU nationals (322 teams more than last year) Quick ReviewFor full spreadsheet Boys Nationals 2024Awesome work everyone! Very interesting numbers! USAV is disappearing on the boys side for sure... The ranking on that detailed spreadsheet seemed really weird. A team that I'm very familiar with only shows results maybe from the Chicago JVA tournament in Nov if I were to guess. Why aren't the big SoCal Cup AAU tournaments included in the results where this team attended both in Dec and January? |
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Post by gtrich on Apr 12, 2024 16:17:41 GMT -5
Incredible growth of boys volleyball continues: 1285 teams signed up for AAU nationals (322 teams more than last year) Quick ReviewFor full spreadsheet Boys Nationals 2024Awesome work everyone! Very interesting numbers! USAV is disappearing on the boys side for sure... The ranking on that detailed spreadsheet seemed really weird. A team that I'm very familiar with only shows results maybe from the Chicago JVA tournament in Nov if I were to guess. Why aren't the big SoCal Cup AAU tournaments included in the results where this team attended both in Dec and January? The rankings look like they come from AES and the SoCal Cup stuff doesn't use AES for their tournaments. The Chicago tournament used AES. SoCal Cup stuff used SportsWrench. |
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Here are the top states represented: