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Post by volleyaudience on Jan 6, 2024 18:34:35 GMT -5
This complex subject is not one on which I have great information or insight. I do, however, have one nagging major concern. I read in a medical article about the 30,000 babies each year are misidentified as to sex at birth and are not given DNA testing. I can not imagine the consternation and confusion to a youth or family as they do dna testing and face the truth of gender at 8 years old or fifteen. In my mind, I certainly do not want to be one of those who, without full information, heap mean hateful painful comments and misinformation on these families by lumping all who undergo gender evaluation into one group. I also am glad I am not a person who has to decide that a young female athlete who was misdiagnosed can not play sports or get transition counseling.
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Post by n00b on Jan 6, 2024 18:41:14 GMT -5
This complex subject is not one on which I have great information or insight. I do, however, have one nagging major concern. I read in a medical article about the 30,000 babies each year are misidentified as to sex at birth and are not given DNA testing. I can not imagine the consternation and confusion to a youth or family as they do dna testing and face the truth of gender at 8 years old or fifteen. In my mind, I certainly do not want to be one of those who, without full information, heap mean hateful painful comments and misinformation on these families by lumping all who undergo gender evaluation into one group. I also am glad I am not a person who has to decide that a young female athlete who was misdiagnosed can not play sports or get transition counseling. Is there any reason to believe that is what happened here?
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jan 6, 2024 18:47:19 GMT -5
One of these days they're gonna mess with the wrong group of female athletes. It's gonna be all like
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Post by bigredhimbo on Jan 6, 2024 19:40:21 GMT -5
I don't know if it will ever happen, or already has?, but with the profile Nebraska volleyball has, any level of support for the LGBTQ community on their social media or interviews would be impactful. They likely want to stay out of these debates in both statements and recruiting, but I wonder how the Nebraska staff and team stand on the matter (edit: and more broadly, anything in that field of discussion really).
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Post by n00b on Jan 6, 2024 19:56:08 GMT -5
I don't know if it will ever happen, or already has?, but with the profile Nebraska volleyball has, any level of support for the LGBTQ community on their social media or interviews would be impactful. They likely want to stay out of these debates in both statements and recruiting, but I wonder how the Nebraska staff and team stand on the matter (edit: and more broadly, anything in that field of discussion really). Would you want them to be vocal if they have a different stance than you?
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Post by bigredhimbo on Jan 6, 2024 19:58:09 GMT -5
I don't know if it will ever happen, or already has?, but with the profile Nebraska volleyball has, any level of support for the LGBTQ community on their social media or interviews would be impactful. They likely want to stay out of these debates in both statements and recruiting, but I wonder how the Nebraska staff and team stand on the matter (edit: and more broadly, anything in that field of discussion really). Would you want them to be vocal if they have a different stance than you? Honestly, I prefer good communication over many things. I'd probably view certain things and certain people in a different way, but the joy I have had watching Husker Vb and volleyball in general, the amount of times I have related with people over it, would in no way be diminished. and that part is what I value the most. (edit: sorry if this was sappy as hell lol, but the question put things in better perspective thx n00b )
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Post by n00b on Jan 6, 2024 20:26:43 GMT -5
Would you want them to be vocal if they have a different stance than you? Honestly, I prefer good communication over many things. I'd probably view certain things and certain people in a different way, but the joy I have had watching Husker Vb and volleyball in general, the amount of times I have related with people over it, would in no way be diminished. and that part is what I value the most. (edit: sorry if this was sappy as hell lol, but the question put things in better perspective thx n00b ) I guess my hesitation with making statements or posts as "NEBRASKA VOLLEYBALL" or whatever team, is that you're speaking for a group of like 20 athletes and coaches. Each of which have their own nuanced views on a topic. Odds are that within that group, opinions will vary. I wouldn't want to alienate members of the team with a minority viewpoint. And at an individual level, being vocal about controversial topics will undoubtedly alienate some portion of your fans. If a cause is important to that individual, it's probably worth it. If they don't feel strongly about it, I wouldn't think it's worth discussing publicly.
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Post by bigredhimbo on Jan 6, 2024 20:54:24 GMT -5
Honestly, I prefer good communication over many things. I'd probably view certain things and certain people in a different way, but the joy I have had watching Husker Vb and volleyball in general, the amount of times I have related with people over it, would in no way be diminished. and that part is what I value the most. (edit: sorry if this was sappy as hell lol, but the question put things in better perspective thx n00b ) I guess my hesitation with making statements or posts as "NEBRASKA VOLLEYBALL" or whatever team, is that you're speaking for a group of like 20 athletes and coaches. Each of which have their own nuanced views on a topic. Odds are that within that group, opinions will vary. I wouldn't want to alienate members of the team with a minority viewpoint. And at an individual level, being vocal about controversial topics will undoubtedly alienate some portion of your fans. If a cause is important to that individual, it's probably worth it. If they don't feel strongly about it, I wouldn't think it's worth discussing publicly. that's a reasonable take. And I agree, they should indeed feel strongly as a whole if they bring it up, because whatever they do I would think it would have an impact on how other teams approach such matters, especially within the conference. It wouldn't be authentic and furthermore would be futile if the statement is lukewarm.
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Post by staticb on Jan 7, 2024 0:18:58 GMT -5
This complex subject is not one on which I have great information or insight. I do, however, have one nagging major concern. I read in a medical article about the 30,000 babies each year are misidentified as to sex at birth and are not given DNA testing. I can not imagine the consternation and confusion to a youth or family as they do dna testing and face the truth of gender at 8 years old or fifteen. In my mind, I certainly do not want to be one of those who, without full information, heap mean hateful painful comments and misinformation on these families by lumping all who undergo gender evaluation into one group. I also am glad I am not a person who has to decide that a young female athlete who was misdiagnosed can not play sports or get transition counseling. Is there any reason to believe that is what happened here? No. The parents seemed way accepting of their kids gender at a young age, which makes me think they might have had some information at birth that their kid wasn't a binary male/female. In any case, most of the stories I've read about misgendering usually go the other way. (Their parents chose female for them and they were male)
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Post by quackingalong on Jan 9, 2024 18:15:58 GMT -5
No, not anyone. Are you implying that biological sex is only connected to external genitalia? It is.. if it wasn’t .. Why do trans-woman feel the need to transition and take hormones to be called or be recognized as a woman? Did you know that a lot of trans women take hormones and transition socially but have no desire to get bottom surgery? She also doesn’t even have a theoretical advantage since she transitioned as a kid. Makes me think that 100% of your objections have to do with your own bigotry.
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Post by n00b on Jan 9, 2024 18:31:26 GMT -5
She also doesn’t even have a theoretical advantage since she transitioned as a kid. Is there a way of knowing this?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 9, 2024 19:56:19 GMT -5
T read in a medical article about the 30,000 babies each year are misidentified as to sex at birth and are not given DNA testing. Source? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7845444/This amounts to .0002 of all live births, while .9998 do not have ambiguous genitalia. An even smaller number are misdiagnosed as to their gender. This is a vanishingly small number.
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Post by n00b on Jan 9, 2024 20:12:50 GMT -5
T read in a medical article about the 30,000 babies each year are misidentified as to sex at birth and are not given DNA testing. Source? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7845444/This amounts to .0002 of all live births, while .9998 do not have ambiguous genitalia. An even smaller number are misdiagnosed as to their gender. This is a vanishingly small number. We should absolutely care about those people. It's a difficult subject that is very tricky to deal with. I also think it is a completely different conversation and debate than talking about individuals whose sex is not ambiguous, but are transgender.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jan 9, 2024 20:41:14 GMT -5
Sex matters more than gender identity for athletic performance, study findswww.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/sex-matters-more-than-gender-identity-for-athletic-performance-study-finds/ar-AA1lZzKy?ocid=msedgntpThe researchers used a novel technique to model the sex of athletes probabilistically based on their given names, using US Social Security Administration data. Race times were used as the outcome variable in linear models with explanatory variables derived from biological sex, gender identity, age and the event being raced.The researchers found a sex gap in race times between athletes who identify as non-binary, and that there is no evidence that the gap between biological males and biological females is less for athletes who identify as non-binary. The results also indicate that non-binary athletes may have slower race times than other athletes once sex and age are controlled for.Dr John Armstrong, Reader in Financial Mathematics at King’s, said: “Gender identity is clearly important to many people, but nevertheless sex matters.“Given the lack of empirical evidence supporting gender-identity theory, one should not assume by default that gender-identity is a more powerful explanatory variable than sex. Being an objectively measurable binary variable, sex has considerable explanatory advantages over gender identity.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 9, 2024 21:32:23 GMT -5
We should absolutely care about those people. It's a difficult subject that is very tricky to deal with. I also think it is a completely different conversation and debate than talking about individuals whose sex is not ambiguous, but are transgender. Not saying that we shouldn't. However, what your physical sex is (and it is unambiguous in .9998 of cases) does affect athletic performance. Why aren't transgenders identifying as "males" an issue for men's sports? For the simple reason, with very few exceptions, that they'd be competitively disadvantaged (can't run as fast, jump as high, hit as hard, etc.).
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