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Post by loversrock on Nov 4, 2024 19:15:31 GMT -5
There's been so much conversation about proving ones points or theories. I'm not really interested in that. I still wonder what rubric or scale is being used to determine Lee as the best athlete? It intrigues me as to what makes one the best athlete. Is it jump, lateral speed, court vision... what? Each position requires such varying athletic abilities that I just don't understand how one athlete, Lee in this case, is best. I beg the question that the best athlete is the one who performs the specific skill the best. And if Lee has not beat out strong or kemavor in the middle and prior or bobik on the right, how is she the best athlete on the team. Inquiring minds want to know. Also all this banter about ulilave. Wow, a little grace here might be appropriate. She is only a freshman starting in one of the top conferences in the country. I'd say that it's fair to say you may want better passing stats or better foot speed or something like that but to diminish, put down and defame her is beyond unnecessary or even objective. I'd like to say that I am seeing some strong improvements in byu as a whole defensively in the back court. I'm starting to see better reads resulting in faster movt. It's translating to longer rallies. Growth is happening on the backcourt defense. I'm also seeing quicker adjustment to very good serving teams in the primary passers across the board. It's resulting in a better s/r receive game and is exciting. I think ululave struggles with depth perception in serve reception but is turning into a solid libero this season. I do still want more options in this spot as I think ululave is the only true libero out there. I'm hoping tingey '25 is a tru lib. Anyone know much about her. Lastly a.bower is doing a great job as a freshman setter and i think she has a high ceiling. The convos about damuni I found interesting because I always considered her a good 6-2 setter. I just don't think she has the size to block and have a high release point needed to set for a ranked program. Her size is undesirable at byu as long as they run a 5-1 and I think they really like a 5-1, at least historically they do. So I think Damuni has found the right fit with utah state who runs a 6-2. She will be successful there as a setter. However she is a beast defensively and has a good serve so I wish we could have seen her as a ds for the rs. But im sure that would have been a hard role to fill after having a very successful club and hs career. Lee has the best verticle jump on the team by far. She is also the quickest in footspeed. My opinion is that she is the best over all athlete on the team. If you don't agree with me ... that is fine. If anyone out there doesn't agree with me ..... tell me who is the best athlete on the team. Great athletes can adjust to new roles way faster that others. That is why I think Lee should be given the Opp position and allowed to learn it. Prior was much better Opp than Grimmer but she is not elite or even a little better than average. Maybe some arm swing adjustments might help but she isnt a great jumper ... she does have some lateral quickness. She is a natural MB and I hope she finds her way back there next season. No one said that the best athlete performs a specific skill best. Don't know where you came up with that begging question? No one is defaming Lulu. I said that I believe she can play DS at a high level but not Libero. That is an opinion and not defaming. I was immediately jumped on by her dad that "Lulu is on her way to becoming one of the all-time BYU greats at Libero. I pulled back the reins on that comment because her passing numbers don't go there at all. My opinion is that she lacks quick lateral speed (which is more concerning than her depth perception issue on s/r). Sometimes experience can rectify that issue but experience and coaching can't correct footspeed. Your comment that Lulu is the only true L out there is also problematic imo. She looks like the L because Miller can't pass well, Johnson hasn't been given enough time, and Billiter can't handle the position well. Lulu is the cream of the roster at the passing positions but don't let that fool you. Comparing BYU passers to other BYU passers will get you in trouble against good teams. Lastly, I predict that Damuni will eventually run a 5-1 at USU. They have had problems identifying and recruiting setter the last 3 years and Rob has shown me zero ability to keep and retain setters either. But he got a good one. Damumi jumps higher and blocks better than A Bower by a long shot. She also has a higher release point. All of your observations on Damuni are off. Bower will have the advantage of having better players surrounding her but that is her only advantage over Damuni. There you go again, Spreading lies I'm uluaves Dad. Haha!!! Now I know you're full of sh*t and double down on your stupidity when someone calls you out on it. I just called you out because your most recent ass facts didn't last long, and now you're furious because you were incorrect in predicting she'd be a DS her entire career at BYU. Instead of admitting you were wrong, Now you're saying that just because she’s wearing the Libero Jersey doesn't make her a legitimate libero. What a pathetic excuse for being wrong. A freshman on one of the top 21 teams in the country who played O/H has never played libero, outperforms the other liberos to start as a true freshman; this is known as competition. Not sure if you understand what that means but that’s not by default. You keep saying Lee is the best athlete, but Strong and Kemavour are starting over her. Enough said; unless you are claiming to be a greater coach than Heather, you should probably drop that debate. I will surely apply your logic the next time I get pulled over for speeding. “Sorry, sir, but I'm not going to pay this ticket because you're not a genuine cop to me. Just because you have a badge and wear the uniform does not imply you are a real cop.” Yeah, Try to explain that logic in court. You’re a joke! |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Nov 4, 2024 21:34:07 GMT -5
One problem - none of the other passers have been a full time Libero on this BYU team or in college at all. They aren't Liberos. Lulu has played more college Libero than all the rest of them combined. Kemavour and Strong are both taller by 6 -7 inches, than Lee. Again, except for you who doesn't understand the difference between an athlete and skill specific positional players, Lee is a better athlete than Strong and Kemavour. Heather actually agrees with me. Lee can touch 10'8" and Kemavour can almost touch 11 ft. Strong can't out jump either of them. Your analogy needs work lol. Maybe you can't take my opinion that you might be Lulu's dad - maybe you are her mom?? Funny, but that could be the most inaccurate statement I have made on here, I will admit. It was said in jest, if you know what that word means? My vb info has been right on however and that includes the passing percentage of Lulu and whether or not she is top 50 in the country. Lulu being on a #21 team doesn't relate whatsoever to her being in the top 50 Libero's in the country. That is another stat you throw out that is about as meaningless as who allegedly recruited her and where her sister finished college, in relation to Lulu's passing stats.
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Post by marnvbc2 on Nov 4, 2024 22:24:04 GMT -5
Once again, marnvbc2 is full of it. If one scrolls down the page to Whitney Bower's bio-- her height is listed as 5'9". It's just the banner that has the typo. Yes, typos do happen. provolleyball.com/teams/atlanta-vibe/roster/atlanta-vibe-roster/players/whitney-bower The 'marnvbc2' poster likes to make noise about anything BYU-related; Heather, the Bowers, Lee, Damuni, and now Uluave. He uses the noise to get attention and then once in a while, he inserts a plug here and there for his daughter K. Johnson. Where were you this season marnvbc2 when Johnson shanked so many balls? Any criticism for her? I suspect marnvbc2-- aka Derek Johnson--is posting garbage about Uluave and hoping she reads it to attack her mental game. Another Club V coach - Movb - Johnson has been playing DS more than Miller right? Funny talent evaluation mistake by V also. I am not related to anyone on the BYU team or program. The Vibe bio quotes off the BYU website and the Vibe listing puts W Bower at 5'7" in both 2024 and on the 2025 roster so I rest my case.... it isn't a typo at all. Why don't you call them and inquire in Atlanta. They will be happy to tell you. I have heard Movb and the other brother at V say that they thought that A Bower is better than W Bower. We will see! I find it interesting to see the malice that Club V has towards that Johnson girl. Makes more creditability on the argument that V told BYU that Miller was in fact better than anyone at V in the passing dept. Based on playing time on the back row at the Y, it doesn't appear to be the case. I am still waiting for the top V coach to jump to college. With the transfer era upon us he wouldn't be able to keep his roster for more than a year. I just want him to take a college job so we can watch. Even an assistant coaching job would be fun to watch. I have listened to some of his many podcasts and .... all I have to say is wow!!! He knows a lot ..... |
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Post by movb on Nov 4, 2024 23:40:36 GMT -5
Even when presented with facts, marnvbc2 can’t admit he’s wrong. That’s a sign of a pathological liar. Maybe you don’t know how to scroll down on a website. You may benefit from these scrolling tips: “Keyboard: Use the keyboard shortcut Fn–Down Arrow to scroll down one page. Mouse: Use the mouse to scroll.” provolleyball.com/teams/atlanta-vibe/roster/atlanta-vibe-roster/players/whitney-bowerNow, were you able to scroll down and see Whitney’s height listed at 5’9”? How about your malice towards Heather, the Bowers, and now Uluave? Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Your Johnson girl, who you don't criticize on this forum, has been sucking at DS all season long. Stop deflecting and stirring the narrative towards old Club V’s drama that only you care about. It’s almost 2025 and you’re still dwelling about stuff that happened in 2023 and earlier. Get over it! All you’re doing is trolling this forum to draw attention in order to once in a while create awareness towards Johnson. Have you ever heard the phrase "there is no such thing as bad publicity". Derek, you’ve been exposed. |
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Post by socalsand on Nov 4, 2024 23:54:05 GMT -5
Wow! Socalsand and bbg95: I was a little nervous that you might have the time to make up a long laundry list of the numerous falsehoods that I have supposedly perpetuated about the BYU women's vb program. Thankfully, it is plain to see for all the contributors and readers on this forum, the only one you can come up with is the exaggerated height published by BYU on Whitney Bower. She is not 5'9" and everyone in the volleyball world knows it. Except, evidently, both of you. bbg's insistence that Whitney is 5'9" has been addressed by me before. Whitney's first professional year on the Vibe basically saw no playing time for this wonderful Olympic/national team level setter. Just for the benefit of all our readers I am going to publish the Atlanta vibe link for the 2024 season that will allow everyone to see what the Vibe list her height as. FYI, I have had a first hand conversation the Atlanta Vibe coach. The conversation wasn't a Bower only conversation, but suffice it to say that she confirmed that Whitney Bower is 5'6.5 with her shoes on. Because almost all programs stretch the truth a little on players' heights (we all know this right?) that the decision was made to round up on Whitney's height to the published height in the program. See below link: provolleyball.com/teams/atlanta-vibe/roster/atlanta-vibe-roster/players/whitney-bowerJust so you both don't think the 2024 rostered height of the Alanta Vibe was a mistake or doctored by me in anyway .... I thought you would like the link for the 2025 roster: provolleyball.com/teams/atlanta-vibe/roster/2025-rosterbbg95 and socalsand, I hope that this information doesn't ruin your day or make you think less of Heather and Co for listing Whitney at 5'9" so that she wouldn't be targeted as much when she was on the front row. It is not the end of the world that Whitney is only 5'6" barefoot (actually a little under according to the assistant coach on the Vibe) she is a good setter with all that said. She was not a great setter and Meyer was/is better. Imagine if Meyer was allowed to set and Whitney was the starting DS (maybe L)? I actually think Bower is a tremendous athlete and could have played L with proper training. What a team BYU would have had. Coaching evaluations and decisions .... again. Hiapo listed at same height at Bower .... just in case you missed that one too! 5'7" rounding up with shoes on! ------------ I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but your doubling down now makes that impossible. If you look at the image below from W Bower's Instagram, you will plainly see that Whitney Bower is at least 2 inches taller than Hiapo (and 4 or so inches shorter than Erin Livingston). The 5'7" listed on the label of the Vibe roster is clearly a typo. Her actual profile states she is 5'9". The point about McComber stands - she was offered by Heather out of HS when you said that Heather overlooked her. You were wrong, from Aria's own mouth. Alex Bower is not 5'9" as you claimed. Thank you for not insisting otherwise. You have something to add to this forum, but if you are unable to admit you are wrong when the facts are clearly against you, nobody will be able to take you seriously. www.instagram.com/whitneyybower/p/C6kgso7tQSS/?img_index=2www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=684342147069460&id=100064810413793&set=a.558648769638799&locale=lt_LT |
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Post by socalsand on Nov 5, 2024 0:06:50 GMT -5
On July 20, 2022, you stated your insistence that Whitney Bower was only 5'6" (a claim that you stopped making later, to your credit): "You are right about her not blocking better regardless of the height listed in the program/website, but at 5'6" she would be a quick scouting report blip by any opposing coach. That is the reason!" and "Well Bower is 5' 6" as I and many other coaches have stood right by her. BYU lists her at 5'9" for competitive reasons. But she is no taller than 5'6 " and "... because the pro Bower crowd will never admit that the girl is 5'6" and can't block well ..." Her Atlanta Vibe profile lists her at 5'9" and lists Hiapo at 5'7" (which is what she was listed at at Arizona and at BYU). Photographs of them together clearly show that Whitney is likely 2 inches taller than Hiapo. Why insist that she is only 5'6"? Also, on Feb 6, 2024 you stated: "…McComber and Hiapo who thrived. BYU got the last 2 girls through the transfer portal after they were trained by another program and overlooked by BYU." McComber was not overlooked by BYU out of HS. In her “Her Y” podcast interview on Nov 29, 2023, she says she was recruited by BYU out of HS, but chose Washington State because she felt more comfortable there as a Protestant Christian (at the time). And with regards to Alex Bower, you stated on October 28, 2022: "Alex Bower is 5'9" and Damuni is 5'8'." Look at this year's team picture. Alex Bower is at least 2” taller than K Johnson who is listed at 5’8” (as well as when she was at Utah), and almost as tall as #21 Macy Short who is listed at 6’ even. I think you have some good insights (like W Bower was a very good setter, but could have been elite as a DS, as well as others), but your inability to be objective with regards to Bowers hurts you, and your credibility with respect to unverifiable politics and team dynamics is hurt when the things that ARE verifiable turn out to be false. Yeah, I don't have time to catalogue all of marn's falsehoods, but the height ones are very easy to prove. I have talked to Whitney Bower at the gym on a few occasions, and she is 5'9". That's a couple inches shorter than I am, so I can tell the difference between a girl who is 5'9" and one who is 5'6". Plus, like you said, she is also listed at that height by Atlanta, and pictures next to other people make it apparent roughly how much taller or shorter they are. Edit: Also, Whitney Bower is really strong. She was benching 145 for sets of five and making it look very easy. In my opinion, W Bower was the best overall athlete on the team. I could easily see her excelling at many other sports. I believe your report about her strength. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Nov 5, 2024 12:59:38 GMT -5
Wow! Socalsand and bbg95: I was a little nervous that you might have the time to make up a long laundry list of the numerous falsehoods that I have supposedly perpetuated about the BYU women's vb program. Thankfully, it is plain to see for all the contributors and readers on this forum, the only one you can come up with is the exaggerated height published by BYU on Whitney Bower. She is not 5'9" and everyone in the volleyball world knows it. Except, evidently, both of you. bbg's insistence that Whitney is 5'9" has been addressed by me before. Whitney's first professional year on the Vibe basically saw no playing time for this wonderful Olympic/national team level setter. Just for the benefit of all our readers I am going to publish the Atlanta vibe link for the 2024 season that will allow everyone to see what the Vibe list her height as. FYI, I have had a first hand conversation the Atlanta Vibe coach. The conversation wasn't a Bower only conversation, but suffice it to say that she confirmed that Whitney Bower is 5'6.5 with her shoes on. Because almost all programs stretch the truth a little on players' heights (we all know this right?) that the decision was made to round up on Whitney's height to the published height in the program. See below link: provolleyball.com/teams/atlanta-vibe/roster/atlanta-vibe-roster/players/whitney-bowerJust so you both don't think the 2024 rostered height of the Alanta Vibe was a mistake or doctored by me in anyway .... I thought you would like the link for the 2025 roster: provolleyball.com/teams/atlanta-vibe/roster/2025-rosterbbg95 and socalsand, I hope that this information doesn't ruin your day or make you think less of Heather and Co for listing Whitney at 5'9" so that she wouldn't be targeted as much when she was on the front row. It is not the end of the world that Whitney is only 5'6" barefoot (actually a little under according to the assistant coach on the Vibe) she is a good setter with all that said. She was not a great setter and Meyer was/is better. Imagine if Meyer was allowed to set and Whitney was the starting DS (maybe L)? I actually think Bower is a tremendous athlete and could have played L with proper training. What a team BYU would have had. Coaching evaluations and decisions .... again. Hiapo listed at same height at Bower .... just in case you missed that one too! 5'7" rounding up with shoes on! ------------ I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but your doubling down now makes that impossible. If you look at the image below from W Bower's Instagram, you will plainly see that Whitney Bower is at least 2 inches taller than Hiapo (and 4 or so inches shorter than Erin Livingston). The 5'7" listed on the label of the Vibe roster is clearly a typo. Her actual profile states she is 5'9". The point about McComber stands - she was offered by Heather out of HS when you said that Heather overlooked her. You were wrong, from Aria's own mouth. Alex Bower is not 5'9" as you claimed. Thank you for not insisting otherwise. You have something to add to this forum, but if you are unable to admit you are wrong when the facts are clearly against you, nobody will be able to take you seriously. www.instagram.com/whitneyybower/p/C6kgso7tQSS/?img_index=2socalsand - it isn't a typo they have W Bower listed on both the 2024 and the 2025 Atlanta Vibe roster at 5'7" they didn't typo it for 2 years. Why don't you call their front office and see what height is correct? They list her at exactly the same height at Hiapo 2 years in a row and also on their official program at matches. The 5'9" mention of is a copy of the BYU bio on Whitney Bower no less!! Everyone can look up their official roster and see for themselves at the links I provided. It is alright to just say that BYU listed her at an artificial height for her stature. Not a big deal and furthermore .... all of this argument was brought on by you and bbg95 accusing me of blantantly false info being delivered to this forum. You and bbg95 picked the height issue as your big complaint ..... for some odd reason it has nothing to do with volleyball, but I am just pointing out that the Vibe agree with me that Whitney Bower is no taller than 5'7"! As for the IG post, it is laughable. Hiapo is shorter than Whitney as she is just a hair over 5'5" but in this non measurement pic Whitney is putting all her weight on one strong leg and Hiapo is bending her support leg back .... obviously she is not standing straight up. I am not getting into Hiapo's height but rather just laughing that you and bbg95 pick the height issue and are shocked that the unbiased Atlanta Vibe list her in both 2024 and 2025 rosters as 5'7" ..... and by the way, your IG non-measurement post shows Erin as at least 6 inches taller than Bower!! lol Erin is what 6'1" ? you do the math ....... Even BYU listed Erin at 6'1" so wiggle out of that one. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Nov 5, 2024 13:13:34 GMT -5
I do think that we all need to rethink this height issue and use IG as our measuring stick rather than published professional volleyball team rosters. I mean who do you think actually measures their players heights .... professional teams or IG?
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Post by marnvbc2 on Nov 5, 2024 13:37:53 GMT -5
Even when presented with facts, marnvbc2 can’t admit he’s wrong. That’s a sign of a pathological liar. Maybe you don’t know how to scroll down on a website. You may benefit from these scrolling tips: “Keyboard: Use the keyboard shortcut Fn–Down Arrow to scroll down one page. Mouse: Use the mouse to scroll.” provolleyball.com/teams/atlanta-vibe/roster/atlanta-vibe-roster/players/whitney-bowerNow, were you able to scroll down and see Whitney’s height listed at 5’9”? How about your malice towards Heather, the Bowers, and now Uluave? Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Your Johnson girl, who you don't criticize on this forum, has been sucking at DS all season long. Stop deflecting and stirring the narrative towards old Club V’s drama that only you care about. It’s almost 2025 and you’re still dwelling about stuff that happened in 2023 and earlier. Get over it! All you’re doing is trolling this forum to draw attention in order to once in a while create awareness towards Johnson. Have you ever heard the phrase "there is no such thing as bad publicity". Derek, you’ve been exposed. Well my DM's are filling up with Anti Reed Carlson people. I won't publish names but suffice it to say that pathological is a word that many of the coaches at V and tons of players who played for this guy say about Reed. I think we are all awaiting the first head college job offer that the king of podcasts is going to receive. He is almost universally disliked by his players and is known for 1+ hr post match diatribes according to his past players when they lose. If the team wins it is Carlson who is great and if the team loses then it was because the team didn't listen to him. But he and V do lead the nation in girls playing college vb at D3 and D2 schools as well as community colleges. They do a great job of getting girls into college to play just not very many to D1. Universally disliked by 90% of his players .... even ones that go on to perform well at D-1 who don't really care to have their name or image shown by V over the years because they despise Carlson. Probably add the Johnson family to that long list now because of his diatribe! And yes, people inside of V told me this is you. I am now rooting for Johnson to keep playing more than some others you coached, on the back row. I am a woman, not a man ..... which I have said before on this forum. I live and coach in Cal and I promise to say hi to you at open nationals if you make it this year. |
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Post by marnvbc2 on Nov 5, 2024 13:40:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't have time to catalogue all of marn's falsehoods, but the height ones are very easy to prove. I have talked to Whitney Bower at the gym on a few occasions, and she is 5'9". That's a couple inches shorter than I am, so I can tell the difference between a girl who is 5'9" and one who is 5'6". Plus, like you said, she is also listed at that height by Atlanta, and pictures next to other people make it apparent roughly how much taller or shorter they are. Edit: Also, Whitney Bower is really strong. She was benching 145 for sets of five and making it look very easy. In my opinion, W Bower was the best overall athlete on the team. I could easily see her excelling at many other sports. I believe your report about her strength. I agree with bbg95 on her summation of W Bower's athletic ability. |
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Post by socalsand on Nov 6, 2024 10:37:36 GMT -5
I am sure all other posters are bored with this discussion, but you literally asked for it. Nevertheless, this will be my last comment on the subject. marnvbc2: You and bbg95 picked the height issue as your big complaint. me: That is because it is factual and easy to prove, as opposed to your claims to insider information and BYU coaching staff motives. You have already backed off claiming Alex Bower is only 5’9”. I also brought up your inaccurate statement that McComber was “overlooked” by BYU out of high school which, according to McComber herself, is false. She also said she made campus recruiting visits to both BYU and Washington State. This is from her "Her Y" episode in November 2023 and is there for anyone to listen to. marnvbc2: Erin is what 6'1" ? you do the math ....... Even BYU listed Erin at 6'1" so wiggle out of that one. me: Erin’s BYU bio link below lists her at 6’2”, as does her Las Vegas Thrill bio, also with link address below. If you are using the pro volleyball roster listings as authoritative because they "actually measure the players,” then you must accept that she is 6’2”. So, who is wiggling now? byucougars.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/player/erin-livingstonprovolleyball.com/teams/vegas-thrill/roster/vegas-thrill-roster/players/erin-livingstonmarnvbc2: Hiapo is shorter than Whitney as she is just a hair over 5'5" me: Again, the supposedly authoritative (according to you) Atlanta Vibe roster has listed Hiapo as 5’7” two years in a row, yet you claim she is really barely over 5’5”; how can they be wrong if, as you claim, they are “actually measuring the players”? So, the Atlanta Vibe got it wrong on Hiapo, but right on Bower? That also means that both the University of Arizona and her high school were wrong when they listed Hiapo at 5’7”, with Arizona perpetuating this “error” for FOUR years! When you have multiple records claim one thing over a period of many years, and then have one lone record list something else, I tend to agree with the multiple records as opposed to the one (the Atlanta Vibe roster listing for Bower is the lone outlier of all the listings above). And yes, the visual comparisons also tell the same story, as have the multiple people that have actually stood next to her. Cheers. |
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Post by movb on Nov 6, 2024 13:49:26 GMT -5
I’m sure posters can also see how marnvbc2 went on a rant about Club V to deflect from addressing his malice-filled posts towards Heather, the Bowers, and Uluave? So, marnvbc2 can dish out attacks to them, but can’t take it when it comes to Johnson. Hmmm! Your posts have “Derek” written all over it.
No need to waste my time regarding your Club V’s lies. Your lack of credibility has already been established in this forum. Your posts are full of lies and are laughable.
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Post by marnvbc2 on Nov 6, 2024 21:00:12 GMT -5
I’m sure posters can also see how marnvbc2 went on a rant about Club V to deflect from addressing his malice-filled posts towards Heather, the Bowers, and Uluave? So, marnvbc2 can dish out attacks to them, but can’t take it when it comes to Johnson. Hmmm! Your posts have “Derek” written all over it. No need to waste my time regarding your Club V’s lies. Your lack of credibility has already been established in this forum. Your posts are full of lies and are laughable. See you Reed at nationals open if you can make it. Why don't you give any other V coaches the top team? V would do better and the girls might have a positive experience. And while you are at it, quit putting so many girls on your team to just get revenue and cost your better players playing time. |
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Post by azvb on Nov 6, 2024 22:46:13 GMT -5
This thread is more contentious than the election.
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Post by marnvbc2 on Nov 7, 2024 1:39:22 GMT -5
I am sure all other posters are bored with this discussion, but you literally asked for it. Nevertheless, this will be my last comment on the subject. marnvbc2: You and bbg95 picked the height issue as your big complaint. me: That is because it is factual and easy to prove, as opposed to your claims to insider information and BYU coaching staff motives. You have already backed off claiming Alex Bower is only 5’9”. I also brought up your inaccurate statement that McComber was “overlooked” by BYU out of high school which, according to McComber herself, is false. She also said she made campus recruiting visits to both BYU and Washington State. This is from her "Her Y" episode in November 2023 and is there for anyone to listen to. marnvbc2: Erin is what 6'1" ? you do the math ....... Even BYU listed Erin at 6'1" so wiggle out of that one. me: Erin’s BYU bio link below lists her at 6’2”, as does her Las Vegas Thrill bio, also with link address below. If you are using the pro volleyball roster listings as authoritative because they "actually measure the players,” then you must accept that she is 6’2”. So, who is wiggling now? byucougars.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/player/erin-livingstonprovolleyball.com/teams/vegas-thrill/roster/vegas-thrill-roster/players/erin-livingstonmarnvbc2: Hiapo is shorter than Whitney as she is just a hair over 5'5" me: Again, the supposedly authoritative (according to you) Atlanta Vibe roster has listed Hiapo as 5’7” two years in a row, yet you claim she is really barely over 5’5”; how can they be wrong if, as you claim, they are “actually measuring the players”? So, the Atlanta Vibe got it wrong on Hiapo, but right on Bower? That also means that both the University of Arizona and her high school were wrong when they listed Hiapo at 5’7”, with Arizona perpetuating this “error” for FOUR years! When you have multiple records claim one thing over a period of many years, and then have one lone record list something else, I tend to agree with the multiple records as opposed to the one (the Atlanta Vibe roster listing for Bower is the lone outlier of all the listings above). And yes, the visual comparisons also tell the same story, as have the multiple people that have actually stood next to her. Cheers. 1) This height issue was about W Bower not Hiapo. I say she is 5'6" but the vibe says she is 5'7" and you say she is 5'9" ... my insistence that BYU over-stated height on W Bower is validated by 2 inches, on 2 different rosters, in 2 different seasons by the Vibe. I don't care about Hiapo's height, she was never asked to block at BYU. 2) Hiapo was never offered a scholarship by Heather until she transfer as a grad from AZ. Big miss. Better late than never. 3) McComber, despite your lie that you said she said she was offered a scholarship by BYU out of HS on the Y podcast, wasn't offered and you are outed again. She was offered a scholarship as a transfer student from Washington State. She attended a camp where reps of WSU, BYU and others were in attendance, but BYU did not offer her as a HS student and WSU was her choice. 4) Multiple records showing BYU listing W Bower as 5'9" is really just 1 record .... BYU's media guide that was produced when Whitney was a freshman. It was recycled every year. The Vibe office says that they stand by their 5'7" measurement and they take all measurements of each player on their roster. BYU asks the girls for their heights, they don't actually measure each player. So there you go! Maybe Whitney listed her height or maybe not?? The fact remains that she isn't close to 5.9! 5) Livingston's height is listed at 6'2" so my mistake, but we go back to the visual pic on IG, which I already made fun of as a measuring device. My comment is that subjectively based on that pic is that Bower looks at least a half foot or more shorter than Erin. Anyway, I don't care about Erin's height. 6) Another flat out lie by you is that McComber says in her own words that she visited BYU as a HS player, on her Y podcost. She doesn't say she made a visit on that episode at all. You just lied to all the readers here. But, back to the arguments of my posts that BYU has lacked talent evaluation and proper recruiting of passers for many many years, one of the many misses is McComber when she came out of Hawaii in HS. Is Whitney still playing for the Vibe? Where is Eden Bower, still on the BYU roster? Alex Bower is 5'9" and I am not giving up on that at all. |
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