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Post by photos1 on Oct 3, 2024 13:14:29 GMT -5
They need to just give out a defender of the year and libero of the year award. The defensive award does not need to be exclusive to liberos or non-liberos though (see someone like Shaffmaster or Zeynep) Digs/set is a terrible metric to judge liberos by. the best defender in the conference right now is Raven Colvin. I would also argue Melani. The best libero in the conference is Lexi. Lexi is not the best defender in the conference. Part, a large part, of a team’s defense is serve receive. Rodriquez is a level above any other player in the B1G at serve receive. We can debate the defense outside serve receive, but who receives serve the best is not a debate. Colvin? B1G DPoY, that’s just amusing. She’s good, they are all good, or they wouldn’t be playing in the B1G, but Colvin was dreadful 2 matches ago against Penn St where she had 6k 1b and 1SA and 2SE…(one block). . . She has a great match against a Minnesota team picked to be eighth in the B1G-and still seemingly celebrating their victory over Wisconsin, and you want to make her B1G DPoY?… that’s amusing… Rodriquez is the DPoY, any year, because her dominant SR makes Nebraska an elite level defense. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Oct 3, 2024 13:24:33 GMT -5
They need to just give out a defender of the year and libero of the year award. The defensive award does not need to be exclusive to liberos or non-liberos though (see someone like Shaffmaster or Zeynep) Digs/set is a terrible metric to judge liberos by. the best defender in the conference right now is Raven Colvin. I would also argue Melani. The best libero in the conference is Lexi. Lexi is not the best defender in the conference. Part, a large part, of a team’s defense is serve receive. Lexi's serve receive has little to do with Nebraska's defense. |
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Post by photos1 on Oct 3, 2024 14:12:19 GMT -5
Part, a large part, of a team’s defense is serve receive. Lexi's serve receive has little to do with Nebraska's defense. Yeah, you go with that… |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Oct 3, 2024 14:18:48 GMT -5
Lexi's serve receive has little to do with Nebraska's defense. Yeah, you go with that… I will. When you have good serve receive, you're going to side out at a higher rate (= less defense played) When you have worse serve receive, you're going to rally more ( = more defense played) If a team is having to play more/better defense because of their serve receive, their serve receive isn't good (which Lexi's is). they shouldn't want to have to play any defense because their serve receive is so good. |
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Post by gopherhim on Oct 3, 2024 14:50:57 GMT -5
Podraza gave Mruzik her vote in the comments. Someone tell Stivrins to comment her pick!
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Post by tablealgebra on Oct 3, 2024 15:32:41 GMT -5
I will. When you have good serve receive, you're going to side out at a higher rate (= less defense played) When you have worse serve receive, you're going to rally more ( = more defense played) If a team is having to play more/better defense because of their serve receive, their serve receive isn't good (which Lexi's is). they shouldn't want to have to play any defense because their serve receive is so good. From an awards standpoint I might want to lump passing in with defense (since there's obviously not a passer of the year). But putting passing, back row defense and blocking all in the same single category seems really dismissive to defensive play in general ... which, duh I guess. I think it's obvious that the DPOY is mostly digging, some blocking (middles have won it), and a little passing. Passing and serving are basically ignored in these awards despite all the people who continually say "it's all about serve and pass" |
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Post by maigrey on Oct 3, 2024 15:36:15 GMT -5
They need to just give out a defender of the year and libero of the year award. The defensive award does not need to be exclusive to liberos or non-liberos though (see someone like Shaffmaster or Zeynep) Digs/set is a terrible metric to judge liberos by. the best defender in the conference right now is Raven Colvin. I would also argue Melani. The best libero in the conference is Lexi. Lexi is not the best defender in the conference. what would you grade liberos on? Serving, assists, passing? I'm genuinely curious. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Oct 3, 2024 15:41:34 GMT -5
They need to just give out a defender of the year and libero of the year award. The defensive award does not need to be exclusive to liberos or non-liberos though (see someone like Shaffmaster or Zeynep) Digs/set is a terrible metric to judge liberos by. the best defender in the conference right now is Raven Colvin. I would also argue Melani. The best libero in the conference is Lexi. Lexi is not the best defender in the conference. what would you grade liberos on? Serving, assists, passing? I'm genuinely curious. Passing. defense and serving can be used if passing is close. both are secondary skills. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 3, 2024 15:44:14 GMT -5
Minnesota is the queen of winning DPOY awards with Liberos who cant pass lol
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Post by vollectator on Oct 3, 2024 15:48:58 GMT -5
Liberos ought to be assessed on passing, digging, serving and aesthetics (the last category is for Laney).
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Post by gopherhim on Oct 3, 2024 15:55:29 GMT -5
Minnesota is the queen of winning DPOY awards with Liberos who cant pass lol Who is this referring to? Minnesota hasn’t even had a player win the award since 2010. Murr won it when she was at Ohio State. It took CC McGraw a few years to improve her passing, but she never won DPoY. I just genuinely don’t remember the conference libero situation in 2010, 2008, and 2006 when Minnesota liberos won. Were there better passers than them? But again, it’s not an award that looks at passing stats. Paula Gentil won 2002-2004 👑 |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 3, 2024 15:57:00 GMT -5
Minnesota is the queen of winning DPOY awards with Liberos who cant pass lol Who is this referring to? Minnesota hasn’t even had a player win the award since 2010. Murr won it when she was at Ohio State. It took CC McGraw a few years to improve her passing, but she never won DPoY. I just genuinely don’t remember the conference libero situation in 2010, 2008, and 2006 when Minnesota liberos won. Were there better passers than them? But again, it’s not an award that looks at passing stats. Paula Gentil won 2002-2004 👑 Oh did murr not win when she was at Minnesota? My bad. I take my shady comment back lol |
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Post by blue10 on Oct 3, 2024 15:59:58 GMT -5
what would you grade liberos on? Serving, assists, passing? I'm genuinely curious. Passing. defense and serving can be used if passing is close. both are secondary skills. passing is more important slightly but digging is absolutely not a “secondary” skill for a libero |
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Post by gopherhim on Oct 3, 2024 16:02:49 GMT -5
Who is this referring to? Minnesota hasn’t even had a player win the award since 2010. Murr won it when she was at Ohio State. It took CC McGraw a few years to improve her passing, but she never won DPoY. I just genuinely don’t remember the conference libero situation in 2010, 2008, and 2006 when Minnesota liberos won. Were there better passers than them? But again, it’s not an award that looks at passing stats. Paula Gentil won 2002-2004 👑 Oh did murr not win when she was at Minnesota? My bad. I take my shady comment back lol Rodriguez won last year. Murr won her senior year at Ohio State (2022) and there was some outrage and discussion similar to this current one about how the award should be for libero of the year so that passing would matter. I was genuinely curious if you were beefing about awards 15 years ago and was ready to hear you out lol |
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Post by basil on Oct 3, 2024 16:04:20 GMT -5
yall know she purposefully does this to increase engagement on her posts right
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