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Post by nakedcrayon on Jul 26, 2024 11:59:12 GMT -5
If this becomes a National Championship then why have qualifiers?
and AAU in Orlando keeps getting bigger and bigger
IMO you shorten the season a bit on the back end and move up AAU maybe a week or so, AND start a little later as well by giving time for recouping after HS season it is doable BUT do clubs as a profit making system really want a shortened season money wise ??
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Post by charger0304 on Jul 26, 2024 12:11:12 GMT -5
and AAU in Orlando keeps getting bigger and bigger Is it actually getting bigger? And if so does that mean it’s getting better? Heard from numerous coaches that AAU Nationals this year was the weakest in years in terms of overall depth of competition, at least at 16s and 17s.
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Post by hangonsloopy on Jul 26, 2024 12:31:14 GMT -5
and AAU in Orlando keeps getting bigger and bigger Is it actually getting bigger? And if so does that mean it’s getting better? Heard from numerous coaches that AAU Nationals this year was the weakest in years in terms of overall depth of competition, at least at 16s and 17s. Was told the same thing by a lot of coaches. The field was a lot weaker across all ages than previous years. Said the first two days they saw no competition, and even on day 3 they were still surprised to play a team or two that weren’t very good.
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Post by crossover2 on Jul 26, 2024 12:53:04 GMT -5
Is it actually getting bigger? And if so does that mean it’s getting better? Heard from numerous coaches that AAU Nationals this year was the weakest in years in terms of overall depth of competition, at least at 16s and 17s. Was told the same thing by a lot of coaches. The field was a lot weaker across all ages than previous years. Said the first two days they saw no competition, and even on day 3 they were still surprised to play a team or two that weren’t very good. I was informed of the same feedback by coaches. The talent pool seemed to be quite limited, particularly in the u16 group.
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Post by ezevb on Jul 26, 2024 13:02:28 GMT -5
If this becomes a National Championship then why have qualifiers? and AAU in Orlando keeps getting bigger and bigger IMO you shorten the season a bit on the back end and move up AAU maybe a week or so, AND start a little later as well by giving time for recouping after HS season it is doable BUT do clubs as a profit making system really want a shortened season money wise ?? There are obviously hundreds of questions that would need to be answered before any other tournament could be considered a real national championship. TCNIT in KC is the closest thing we have to a consensus championship, except that it’s at the beginning of the season. Most clubs are only 6 weeks in while a few others have 40-50 matches under their belt. Without the previous year’s data from AAU and GJNC, there’s no way to determine the most elite field for TCNIT. So if TCNIT becomes the national championship why would anyone compete in AAU or GJNC? Then if nobody competes in AAU or GJNC how do we determine the field for TCNIT? So clearly, we can’t just declare that a new tournament is the end all, be all. We can however, declare that playing until July 11th is absurd. I’m still bitter about that so I won’t apologize for starting this nonsense. 😂
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Post by nakedcrayon on Jul 26, 2024 13:20:02 GMT -5
I never said better but rather bigger
Boys increased a huge amount...girls increased by about 5% of total teams and that was taking out all international teams that werent allowed to play this year
As for better...I thought Open was a bit down compared to previous year but Premier looked about the same and the lower divisions looked better by the time they got to gold than last year...now day 1 and 2 maybe have been a drop off
Next year will be real interesting on girls side as the dates for AAu are the same as this past year (age groups may change) but that will be in more direct conflict with USAV dates that are moved forward from this past season
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Post by dizzydean on Jul 26, 2024 13:33:23 GMT -5
If this becomes a National Championship then why have qualifiers? and AAU in Orlando keeps getting bigger and bigger IMO you shorten the season a bit on the back end and move up AAU maybe a week or so, AND start a little later as well by giving time for recouping after HS season it is doable BUT do clubs as a profit making system really want a shortened season money wise ?? No.
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Post by wonkaman on Jul 26, 2024 20:10:39 GMT -5
Who is getting the money for these tournament championships? You will always have multiple championships if different groups are running the tournaments and making money from them. A triple Crown championship will not get the USAV or AAU to end their championship. It will only be a third end of season championship.
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Post by VBallFan on Jul 27, 2024 11:55:57 GMT -5
Correct, but I bet if usav continues to put tournament on 4th of July week more teams will gravitate to triple crown. AAU will be weaker and weaker as years pass as top players/teams will go triple or usav.
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 27, 2024 22:05:53 GMT -5
Correct, but I bet if usav continues to put tournament on 4th of July week more teams will gravitate to triple crown. AAU will be weaker and weaker as years pass as top players/teams will go triple or usav. Eh. I doubt it. Triple Crown summer event isn't a realistic option for decent end-of-year event at this point. And AAU has seen a drop in level, despite an increase in attendance numbers. USAV is still the premier event.
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Post by fightingminime on Jul 28, 2024 10:17:56 GMT -5
Triple Crown just announced a new Summer NIT in Mesa, AZ, June 7th - June 10th. If this becomes as popular and as well attended as the TCNIT in February, I’m on board with calling it the real National Championship and we all end our seasons on June 10th! But if not, I’m not sure if it will catch on with clubs in the Eastern half of the country. I can pretty much guarantee it won't catch on like Triple Crown. Timing is rough. My guess is they are hoping to capture more of the Festival demographic than the TC demographic of teams. I heard they were hoping to replace AAU/USAV ... 3-Step is trying also.
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Post by hangonsloopy on Jul 28, 2024 12:07:25 GMT -5
I can pretty much guarantee it won't catch on like Triple Crown. Timing is rough. My guess is they are hoping to capture more of the Festival demographic than the TC demographic of teams. I heard they were hoping to replace AAU/USAV ... 3-Step is trying also. 3-Step can keep trying. No one is referring to the winners of the “Under Armor National Championship” as national champions.
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Post by triplecrown on Jul 29, 2024 7:46:27 GMT -5
Triple Crown is not looking to replace AAU or USAV Nationals! The Summer NIT is specifically for open-level teams, with 32 to 48 teams in each division (13-17). The West Coast Invitational will still take place in Utah and is for club-level teams. The Summer NIT aims to offer open level teams a chance to challenge themselves against diverse, high-level competition before Nationals, particularly those who haven't faced top teams since late April.
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Post by crossover2 on Jul 29, 2024 9:22:14 GMT -5
Triple Crown is not looking to replace AAU or USAV Nationals! The Summer NIT is specifically for open-level teams, with 32 to 48 teams in each division (13-17). The West Coast Invitational will still take place in Utah and is for club-level teams. The Summer NIT aims to offer open level teams a chance to challenge themselves against diverse, high-level competition before Nationals, particularly those who haven't faced top teams since late April. So add another end of year tourney so Triple Crown brings in additional revenue, clubs see an increase in profits, and parents spend even more than they already do. Got it.
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Post by dizzydean on Jul 29, 2024 10:07:41 GMT -5
Triple Crown is not looking to replace AAU or USAV Nationals! The Summer NIT is specifically for open-level teams, with 32 to 48 teams in each division (13-17). The West Coast Invitational will still take place in Utah and is for club-level teams. The Summer NIT aims to offer open level teams a chance to challenge themselves against diverse, high-level competition before Nationals, particularly those who haven't faced top teams since late April. So add another end of year tourney so Triple Crown brings in additional revenue, clubs see an increase in profits, and parents spend even more than they already do. Got it. Teams don't have to go.
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