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Post by wonkaman on Jul 29, 2024 10:14:13 GMT -5
I do get a sense when I watch these tournaments the girls enjoy playing in them. Lots of tik tok videos with friends and games being played while in the camping area. Those players that are usually absent from the tournaments are those that do not get a lot of playing time.
If you did a survey with the girls they would want to play every weekend. When I was younger (and the length of the fish keep increasing in size as I get older) I tried playing 12 times a week, the beach in the afternoon on Monday through Sunday, and at rec centers Monday through Friday in the evening. Perhaps I should have expanded my interests.
When you enjoy the game all you want to do is play the game.
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Post by OHVBKING on Jul 29, 2024 12:18:37 GMT -5
This is all about $$$$$$ and nothing less. If anyone thinks TC is doing this as an added benefit for Clubs, you would be greatly mistaken. TC sees an opportunity to make $$$$$$ so they are going to roll the dice.
AAU Nationals are growing in the terms of number of teams, but would agree the Open Divisions were not as strong. I think AAU could benefit by requiring teams to submit a resume for entry into Open and/or Premier. I saw some Open teams that should of been in Premier or Classic and some teams in Premier that should of been in Open.
In regards to Venue, travel, hotels, and schedule AAU is so much better than USAV. Give me a 2 or 3 bedroom condo over a hotel room for 4 or 5 days any day of the week. The Orange County Convention center is easy to access and there is generally plenty of parking. Orlando is always one of the cheaper destinations travel wise as well.
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Post by ezevb on Jul 29, 2024 12:50:20 GMT -5
This is all about $$$$$$ and nothing less. If anyone thinks TC is doing this as an added benefit for Clubs, you would be greatly mistaken. TC sees an opportunity to make $$$$$$ so they are going to roll the dice. AAU Nationals are growing in the terms of number of teams, but would agree the Open Divisions were not as strong. I think AAU could benefit by requiring teams to submit a resume for entry into Open and/or Premier. I saw some Open teams that should of been in Premier or Classic and some teams in Premier that should of been in Open. In regards to Venue, travel, hotels, and schedule AAU is so much better than USAV. Give me a 2 or 3 bedroom condo over a hotel room for 4 or 5 days any day of the week. The Orange County Convention center is easy to access and there is generally plenty of parking. Orlando is always one of the cheaper destinations travel wise as well. To your first point, TC is a business. Of course they have to make money. However, while they’re making money they at least try to make it beneficial to their customers by putting out a quality product. To your point about Orlando, I agree with the logistics. That tournament has gone down hill for the top 50 Clubs. For the other thousands of clubs, it’s still fine. But again, logistically it’s perfect. And while we have triplecrown here, let’s discuss moving TCNIT to Orlando. Flying to Orlando is easier than flying to Kansas City from most every city in the country. Housing, flights, entertainment, facilities, weather are all better in Orlando.
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Post by OHVBKING on Jul 29, 2024 15:56:23 GMT -5
TCNIT in Kansas City in the February (Winter Time) is really not a great location. That convention center is terrible, parking is not great, some teams have to play across the street, KC airport is an expensive connecting flight for just about everyone, and a number of the teams have to stay fairly far away. TCNIT must get a heck of a deal in KC because I can't think of one reason to keep going back.
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 29, 2024 16:02:21 GMT -5
This is all about $$$$$$ and nothing less. If anyone thinks TC is doing this as an added benefit for Clubs, you would be greatly mistaken. TC sees an opportunity to make $$$$$$ so they are going to roll the dice. AAU Nationals are growing in the terms of number of teams, but would agree the Open Divisions were not as strong. I think AAU could benefit by requiring teams to submit a resume for entry into Open and/or Premier. I saw some Open teams that should of been in Premier or Classic and some teams in Premier that should of been in Open. In regards to Venue, travel, hotels, and schedule AAU is so much better than USAV. Give me a 2 or 3 bedroom condo over a hotel room for 4 or 5 days any day of the week. The Orange County Convention center is easy to access and there is generally plenty of parking. Orlando is always one of the cheaper destinations travel wise as well. To your first point, TC is a business. Of course they have to make money. However, while they’re making money they at least try to make it beneficial to their customers by putting out a quality product. To your point about Orlando, I agree with the logistics. That tournament has gone down hill for the top 50 Clubs. For the other thousands of clubs, it’s still fine. But again, logistically it’s perfect. And while we have triplecrown here, let’s discuss moving TCNIT to Orlando. Flying to Orlando is easier than flying to Kansas City from most every city in the country. Housing, flights, entertainment, facilities, weather are all better in Orlando. No. Please stop putting things in Florida. I am BEGGING.
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 29, 2024 16:31:59 GMT -5
Triple Crown just announced a new Summer NIT in Mesa, AZ, June 7th - June 10th. If this becomes as popular and as well attended as the TCNIT in February, I’m on board with calling it the real National Championship and we all end our seasons on June 10th! But if not, I’m not sure if it will catch on with clubs in the Eastern half of the country. A) There are HS graduations every weekend from the beginning of May until New York's around the 25th of June. It's just a tough time of the year to have a "national" anything. B) Mesa, Arizona?!? If Teams want to go to Arizona, isn't Festival still there? C) Isn't June 6th the weekend for all of the college recruiting camps next year? So every top 15 and 16 is going to be at Texas, Wisconsin or Nebraska, and they want to throw a tournament for the same kids in Arizona? 18's are over already. And TC is going to have tournaments in Utah and Arizona? I may be missing something.
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Post by ezevb on Jul 29, 2024 17:51:16 GMT -5
To your first point, TC is a business. Of course they have to make money. However, while they’re making money they at least try to make it beneficial to their customers by putting out a quality product. To your point about Orlando, I agree with the logistics. That tournament has gone down hill for the top 50 Clubs. For the other thousands of clubs, it’s still fine. But again, logistically it’s perfect. And while we have triplecrown here, let’s discuss moving TCNIT to Orlando. Flying to Orlando is easier than flying to Kansas City from most every city in the country. Housing, flights, entertainment, facilities, weather are all better in Orlando. No. Please stop putting things in Florida. I am BEGGING. This person hates everything and has never posted anything positive about anything, ever. So clearly Florida is the way to go!
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Post by VBallFan on Jul 29, 2024 18:04:18 GMT -5
After going to all the national's Orlando is great location and is the best of all places in my opinion. If USAV moved there it would be great!! In all reality the best situation is AAU and usav combine and make 2 divisions one for qualifying teams and another for non qualifying. Money will prevent that as we all know!!
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 29, 2024 18:12:07 GMT -5
No. Please stop putting things in Florida. I am BEGGING. This person hates everything and has never posted anything positive about anything, ever. So clearly Florida is the way to go! No, but this person has been around the college and club level of this game for more than 20 years. So, this comes from a place of experience. I have attended every major tournament in the country. I can say from experience, that Orlando is not the mecca of youth sports locations you are making it out to be.
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Post by n00b on Jul 29, 2024 18:17:29 GMT -5
This is all about $$$$$$ and nothing less. If anyone thinks TC is doing this as an added benefit for Clubs, you would be greatly mistaken. TC sees an opportunity to make $$$$$$ so they are going to roll the dice. AAU Nationals are growing in the terms of number of teams, but would agree the Open Divisions were not as strong. I think AAU could benefit by requiring teams to submit a resume for entry into Open and/or Premier. I saw some Open teams that should of been in Premier or Classic and some teams in Premier that should of been in Open. In regards to Venue, travel, hotels, and schedule AAU is so much better than USAV. Give me a 2 or 3 bedroom condo over a hotel room for 4 or 5 days any day of the week. The Orange County Convention center is easy to access and there is generally plenty of parking. Orlando is always one of the cheaper destinations travel wise as well. Triple Crown has had success running tournaments because they do it well. I fully support any endeavor that makes money by providing a good product. Compare this to the model of a large organization buying up clubs then compelling them to play in their often mediocre events (including a new one the same weekend of this Triple Crown event). I absolutely root for the success of Triple Crown. They want to make money, but they want to do it by running an excellent tournament that teams want to attend.
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Post by n00b on Jul 29, 2024 18:21:56 GMT -5
This person hates everything and has never posted anything positive about anything, ever. So clearly Florida is the way to go! No, but this person has been around the college and club level of this game for more than 20 years. So, this comes from a place of experience. I have attended every major tournament in the country. I can say from experience, that Orlando is not the mecca of youth sports locations you are making it out to be. As an adult going to tournaments, I'm not a fan of Orlando (although it's easy to fly there from just about anywhere). But for club families - it can be relatively inexpensive (if you decide not to do the touristy things) and it can be a good two-for-one family vacation (if you do decide to do the touristy things). My teams' parents always enjoyed the trip.
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Post by dodger on Jul 29, 2024 18:36:17 GMT -5
This person hates everything and has never posted anything positive about anything, ever. So clearly Florida is the way to go! No, but this person has been around the college and club level of this game for more than 20 years. So, this comes from a place of experience. I have attended every major tournament in the country. I can say from experience, that Orlando is not the mecca of youth sports locations you are making it out to be. Can you define “mecca” of sports? Please?
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Post by nakedcrayon on Jul 29, 2024 20:00:35 GMT -5
I am curious as to which areas are the best or meccas so to speak?
As for time line for nationals there isnt a good time with some schools going into mid June or later...forget graduations as that affects 18s....but how many teams have been less than full strength for certain qualifers due to proms and other activities
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Post by ezevb on Jul 29, 2024 20:11:18 GMT -5
This person hates everything and has never posted anything positive about anything, ever. So clearly Florida is the way to go! No, but this person has been around the college and club level of this game for more than 20 years. So, this comes from a place of experience. I have attended every major tournament in the country. I can say from experience, that Orlando is not the mecca of youth sports locations you are making it out to be. I didn’t question your experience, just your cheery disposition. Personally, I prefer Indy, Louisville, or Columbus. But none of those cities solve the flights issue like Orlando. You’re just expecting anyone to concede to your experience without providing any real data from your experience. You can’t argue Orlando has more housing options, more direct flight options, less expensive flight options, and less snow or freezing rain than Kansas City. None of those are opinions. I’ve not called Orlando a Mecca. If you’d like to explain how Kansas City is a better option than Orlando for a volleyball tournament in February with more than just a “trust me, bro”, I’m all ears.
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 29, 2024 22:20:03 GMT -5
No, but this person has been around the college and club level of this game for more than 20 years. So, this comes from a place of experience. I have attended every major tournament in the country. I can say from experience, that Orlando is not the mecca of youth sports locations you are making it out to be. I didn’t question your experience, just your cheery disposition. Personally, I prefer Indy, Louisville, or Columbus. But none of those cities solve the flights issue like Orlando. You’re just expecting anyone to concede to your experience without providing any real data from your experience. You can’t argue Orlando has more housing options, more direct flight options, less expensive flight options, and less snow or freezing rain than Kansas City. None of those are opinions. I’ve not called Orlando a Mecca. If you’d like to explain how Kansas City is a better option than Orlando for a volleyball tournament in February with more than just a “trust me, bro”, I’m all ears. You're definitely the kind of guy that tells women they should smile more. I apologize if I wasn't jumping up and down and praising you for being the smartest person ever. I'll keep that in mind next time and work on having a sunnier disposition when interacting with you... But really, what data are you providing? I was simply sharing my opinion, the same way you did, that I do not want to have to attend another tournament in Florida. I've been to the Sunshine Qualifier, I've been to AAUs. Both are perfectly fine. I dislike the fact that majority of the hotels are not within actual walking distance of the convention center. And while there are direct flights, we paid well north of $700 per ticket this year and still couldn't find many direct flights home that left late enough to accommodate the final day schedule, so that meant an extra day for most of our families. It's not Spring Break or an extended holiday for our kids (beyond Monday), so it's extra travel days and more missed class time, not to mention a 3-time zone change. I don't necessarily think Kansas City is ideal. And in the original plans for the tournament, it was supposed to rotate cities every 3-5 years. We loved it when it was in Salt Lake City, super easy trip from the West Coast. The benefit for Kansas City is that it is reasonably drivable for a decent number of teams attending (more so than Florida). And the new airport means increased flight options. They also have a decent metro rail system to get teams staying at hotels further out into the venue. There are not very many ideal cities to hold an event of that size (and growing), especially on a holiday weekend. Costs will always be higher, no matter where you go. But a central location makes sense for a lot of reasons. Is that enough of a pro-con list for you? Or do I need to send you my resume and pre-clear myself as allowed to have an opinion as controversial as "I don't want to go to Florida for another tournament"?
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