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Post by BeachbytheBay on Mar 9, 2024 13:58:08 GMT -5
after a weekend of critical matches, with two biggies left in Hawaii tommorrow interesting after 2 losses, GCU remains #1 in KPI not surprising given the tough road schedlue for GCU faktorsports.com/at this point, Penn State is largely out of at-large discussion with a 1-3 road trip, a UCLA winwould have at least kept them relevant on the list. Top Tier: Beach, GCU, Hawaii, UCLA 2nd Tier. Irvine, Ohio State (dropped out of this tier) Pretty much win out to conference tourny finals and hope, meaning not gonna happen: BYU, Penn State, Pepperdine, Ohio State that's it Resumes in KPI & Massey of top 6, Stanford has dropped out of top 10 in KPI, replaced by Loyola SOS: (Massey) Irvine #2 UCLA #4 GCU #8 Ohio State #16 Long Beach #17 Hawaii #22 note Hawaii & Beach particularly have home heavy schedules, they can't afford road losses, maybe one more. Top 10 KPI & Massey Records approximate because gonna count Stanford, Pepp, & Loyola for now for purposes of 'top 10' records: seems a bit unfair to make a line in the sand for any of these, Stanford has the #1 SOS UCLA: 9-3 (last big non-conf match with Ohio State, big implications) Irvine: 5-3 GCU: 3-2 (what a difference a week makes, however, that is 3-2 on the road/neutral) Beach: 3-1 Hawaii: 5-1 Ohio State: 1-5, yikes, (1-2 if you throw out the Loyola losses), absolutely must beat UCLA again, and hope a selection somehow comes down to them or UCLA, even then no way a committee can ignore that top 10 record, if Ohio State wants any sniff at an at-large, they have to beat UCLA. Which didn't happen. upcoming, Hawaii vs. Beach next week. a 1-1 split won't hurt either team Hawaii vs. Irvine, kind of odd to have that non-conf match this year Irvine & UCLA given their SOS can sustain more overall losses, and still have a solid resume the MPSF & Big West conf semis and finals are going to likely have huge implications. could be a 4th match between Hawaii & Irvine in their future. potentially 2 out of UCLA/Irvine/Hawaii/Beach/GCU could get left out of the NCAAs, maybe even 3 out of the 5, that's just brutal. and the fact is only 4 out of UCLA/GCU/Hawaii/Irinve/Beach can be in the NCAAs, one of them will will not get in the NCAAs. |
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Post by VT Karen on Mar 9, 2024 15:22:04 GMT -5
Thank you for the write up! I cannot wait to watch the Warriors and the Beach go head-to-head at the Pyramid.
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Post by soljah808 on Mar 9, 2024 15:35:44 GMT -5
In all honesty.....I worry about the LBSU series at the Mid. Only because even recent history shows Hawaii doesn't do fairly well over there. As a fan I want them to sweep.....but realistically I'll be relieved if we can even snag 1 of those victories tbh.
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Post by volleyfriends on Mar 10, 2024 0:16:32 GMT -5
potentially 2 out of UCLA/Irvine/Hawaii/Beach/GCU could get left out of the NCAAs, maybe even 3 out of the 5, that's just brutal. and the fact is only 4 out of UCLA/GCU/Hawaii/Irinve/Beach can be in the NCAAs, one of them will will not get in the NCAAs. Thanks for the analysis. This line underscores the need to expand the tourney sooner. |
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Post by lankykong on Mar 11, 2024 9:27:51 GMT -5
If that’s the match that keeps Irvine from the NCAAs, it proves the irvine curse is real
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Mar 11, 2024 11:27:46 GMT -5
If that’s the match that keeps Irvine from the NCAAs, it proves the irvine curse is real The thing is that Irvine still take 2 more chances to take on Hawai'i at their own home. We shall see. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Mar 11, 2024 11:41:14 GMT -5
Irvine/Beach/Hawaii together will play 4 matches; then counting BWCT probably 5 amongst them, maybe even 6.
the team that goes 3-1 in that group is going to be in very good shape; for Irvine, going 3-1 vs. Haw/Beach is an absolute must at this point for any at-large. for Beach & Hawaii, going 2-2 is still ok. Beach and Hawaii are finally going to get a big SOS boost next weekend, which they both need.
GCU despite losing to Irvine, is probably still in a better position than Irvine, unless GCU goes 0-2 vs. UCLA in the MPSF
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Post by MonroeClark90 on Mar 12, 2024 7:42:30 GMT -5
How does the seeding work for NCAA tourney. Is it like MLB/NFL where conference champs automatically get seeded higher than wild card teams or can an at-large teams feasibly get the #2 or #3 seed?
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Post by bruinsgold on Mar 12, 2024 7:55:23 GMT -5
How does the seeding work for NCAA tourney. Is it like MLB/NFL where conference champs automatically get seeded higher than wild card teams or can an at-large teams feasibly get the #2 or #3 seed? At-large bids can be seeded higher. Recent examples: In 2019, Long Beach State was the overall #2 as an At-Large In 2021, Hawaii was the #1 overall seed as an At-Large |
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Mar 12, 2024 13:14:35 GMT -5
How does the seeding work for NCAA tourney. Is it like MLB/NFL where conference champs automatically get seeded higher than wild card teams or can an at-large teams feasibly get the #2 or #3 seed? i think the only guarantee is the winner of the SIAC will be #8 seed, Conf Carolinas #7... purely on SOS |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Mar 18, 2024 20:20:22 GMT -5
Resumes of the primary at-large contenders.
SOS: (Massey)
Irvine #2
UCLA #6
GCU #9
Long Beach #12
Hawaii #15
Beach & Hawaii both finally started getting their SOS reasonable with the two matches last weekend vs. each other
note Hawaii & Beach particularly have home heavy schedules, they can't afford road losses, maybe one more.
Top 12 KPI Records as the cutoff for now, since MIVA leader Ball State is at #12.
UCLA: 10-3
Irvine: 6-3 #2 SOS and will be the top SOS of all the at-large considered teams
GCU: 4-2 (very solid road/neutral schedule this year, last year as way too home heavy)
Beach: 5-1 (not a great road schedule this year, a win @ Irvine to remove any doubts might seal them in, if no other losses)
Hawaii: 6-3
at this point, Pepperdine is the only other team that could potentially play their way in to an at-large, but that's a minor miracle to win out all the way to the MSPF tourney title game, IOTW, Jim Carrey chance)
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Post by wilbur on Mar 18, 2024 21:30:00 GMT -5
Resumes of the primary at-large contenders. SOS: (Massey) Irvine #2 UCLA #6 GCU #9 Long Beach #12 Hawaii #15 Beach & Hawaii both finally started getting their SOS reasonable with the two matches last weekend vs. each other note Hawaii & Beach particularly have home heavy schedules, they can't afford road losses, maybe one more. Top 12 KPI Records as the cutoff for now, since MIVA leader Ball State is at #12. UCLA: 10-3 Irvine: 6-3 #2 SOS and will be the top SOS of all the at-large considered teams GCU: 4-2 (very solid road/neutral schedule this year, last year as way too home heavy) Beach: 5-1 (not a great road schedule this year, a win @ Irvine to remove any doubts might seal them in, if no other losses) Hawaii: 6-3 at this point, Pepperdine is the only other team that could potentially play their way in to an at-large, but that's a minor miracle to win out all the way to the MSPF tourney title game, IOTW, Jim Carrey chance) Ond of the coaches on Rob's pod cast today said 2 at large from the BW was likely due to GCU results at the outrigger |
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Mar 18, 2024 21:58:19 GMT -5
Resumes of the primary at-large contenders. SOS: (Massey) Irvine #2 UCLA #6 GCU #9 Long Beach #12 Hawaii #15 Beach & Hawaii both finally started getting their SOS reasonable with the two matches last weekend vs. each other note Hawaii & Beach particularly have home heavy schedules, they can't afford road losses, maybe one more. Top 12 KPI Records as the cutoff for now, since MIVA leader Ball State is at #12. UCLA: 10-3 Irvine: 6-3 #2 SOS and will be the top SOS of all the at-large considered teams GCU: 4-2 (very solid road/neutral schedule this year, last year as way too home heavy) Beach: 5-1 (not a great road schedule this year, a win @ Irvine to remove any doubts might seal them in, if no other losses) Hawaii: 6-3 at this point, Pepperdine is the only other team that could potentially play their way in to an at-large, but that's a minor miracle to win out all the way to the MSPF tourney title game, IOTW, Jim Carrey chance) Ond of the coaches on Rob's pod cast today said 2 at large from the BW was likely due to GCU results at the outrigger Honestly I actually just thought about it today too. Assuming that UCLA wins their conference tournament, that 2 at larges would have to go to that BW teams. |
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Post by wilbur on Mar 18, 2024 22:32:17 GMT -5
Ond of the coaches on Rob's pod cast today said 2 at large from the BW was likely due to GCU results at the outrigger Honestly I actually just thought about it today too. Assuming that UCLA wins their conference tournament, that 2 at larges would have to go to that BW teams. Not sure they have to but it souds possible depending future match results and results of BW tourney. If GCU loses a few more matches and UCI wins the BW tourney that could be scenario for double BW at large bids. |
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Post by thebeach1 on Mar 18, 2024 22:51:20 GMT -5
Honestly I actually just thought about it today too. Assuming that UCLA wins their conference tournament, that 2 at larges would have to go to that BW teams. Not sure they have to but it souds possible depending future match results and results of BW tourney. If GCU loses a few more matches and UCI wins the BW tourney that could be scenario for double BW at large bids. What if GCU wins the MPSF tournament and UCI runs the table in the BWC tournament? I would think that, because of RPI, UCLA would be a lock for one of the two at large births. The other at large birth, a toss up between LB St. and Hawaii, would be a difficult decision for the selection committee to make. |
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