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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 14:12:48 GMT -5
What about the 18s? Any word on what that team might do?
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Post by priddyboy on Oct 20, 2014 15:13:05 GMT -5
My guess is the 17's first choice will be Sting, in order to keep the team together. Big fear is that the team would get split up if they go to MVC. Thinking is MVC would take the big middle and one or two others on a one's team and the rest would end up on two's or three's. The MVC 17-1s (to be) must be a really good team to turn down the talent of the rest of that Lightning team. Not being sarcastic. I don't know that MVC team at all. But if they'd only take a few of the top Lightning kids then they must be better than I had them in my mind. With the past success of that Lightning team, I thought that the MVC team at that level was not nearly as good.
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Post by 1before2 on Oct 20, 2014 16:36:59 GMT -5
My guess is the 17's first choice will be Sting, in order to keep the team together. Big fear is that the team would get split up if they go to MVC. Thinking is MVC would take the big middle and one or two others on a one's team and the rest would end up on two's or three's. why do you think sting will be a draw for them? Is there a possibility of combining the ex-lightning kids and the MVC kids into a one team. That age group could have the potential to do great things in Ohio this year. For Sting, most of the coaches for the upcoming club season all came over from Lightning. The core of this team has been together since 13's and to my knowledge none have ever tried out at MVC since then. Over the past couple years, there have been offers made to MVC players to play for Lightning, but they have always turned the offers down. I believe that the kids want to keep the group together and the best option for that is with Sting.
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Post by hardworkwins on Oct 20, 2014 21:34:38 GMT -5
Interesting, do you think the west allis 18s players will go to sting as well? From what I gave heard the 18s players want to combine with MVC I'm not sure if they would do this under Sting or with MVC. My guess it that all this won't be settled until the weekend of tryouts.
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Post by goforitvb on Oct 20, 2014 21:37:14 GMT -5
Interesting, do you think the west allis 18s players will go to sting as well? From what I gave heard the 18s players want to combine with MVC I'm not sure if they would do this under Sting or with MVC. My guess it that all this won't be settled until the weekend of tryouts. The rumor I heard was none of the Marquette Seniors were going out for Club? That's quite a few kids. Any truth to that?
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Post by hardworkwins on Oct 20, 2014 21:47:15 GMT -5
From what I gave heard the 18s players want to combine with MVC I'm not sure if they would do this under Sting or with MVC. My guess it that all this won't be settled until the weekend of tryouts. The rumor I heard was none of the Marquette Seniors were going out for Club? That's quite a few kids. Any truth to that? The only one who may play is Mason but there is no final answer for him.
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Post by dividedwefall on Oct 20, 2014 23:14:14 GMT -5
Is it just a coincidence that the core of the top 2 teams, and 3 of the top 4 teams in the state, and top 3 teams in the area, in terms of rankings at least, all came up through the lightning program? they did things the right way both on and off the court, starting from the top with their directors all the way down to the players. great program with unparalleled success for a time period that they were around in the midwest. the group that won nationals at 16 and 18 was the most dominant team i have ever seen their 16s year in any age group. they literally beat teams that finished tied for 5th in the 18s division that season as a 16s team.
Having options is always a good thing. mvc is a good option and has been around for forever. having sting build a successful boys program would be good for the sport overall and in wisconsin. maybe southwest, lake country, south port, or penguins can make some noise. will be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 8:44:23 GMT -5
It would be nice to get the best 18s team together though in SE Wisconsin. If they did, I would bet they could make a deep run in Columbus. They'd have to be one of the biggest teams in the nation, with a ton of talent. If they could gel, they'd have a shot.
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Post by vballman1234 on Oct 21, 2014 9:03:29 GMT -5
Is it just a coincidence that the core of the top 2 teams, and 3 of the top 4 teams in the state, and top 3 teams in the area, in terms of rankings at least, all came up through the lightning program? they did things the right way both on and off the court, starting from the top with their directors all the way down to the players. great program with unparalleled success for a time period that they were around in the midwest. the group that won nationals at 16 and 18 was the most dominant team i have ever seen their 16s year in any age group. they literally beat teams that finished tied for 5th in the 18s division that season as a 16s team. Having options is always a good thing. mvc is a good option and has been around for forever. having sting build a successful boys program would be good for the sport overall and in wisconsin. maybe southwest, lake country, south port, or penguins can make some noise. will be interesting. All the more reason why Lightning should have stayed a club.
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Post by divingisstupid on Oct 21, 2014 11:35:10 GMT -5
"the group that won nationals at 16 and 18 was the most dominant team i have ever seen their 16s year in any age group. they literally beat teams that finished tied for 5th in the 18s division that season as a 16s team."
Amazing what happens when the talent from this area COMBINES isn't it?
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Post by dividedwefall on Oct 21, 2014 11:46:33 GMT -5
"the group that won nationals at 16 and 18 was the most dominant team i have ever seen their 16s year in any age group. they literally beat teams that finished tied for 5th in the 18s division that season as a 16s team." Amazing what happens when the talent from this area COMBINES isn't it? there are no schnecks, novotny's, or either middles from that team that are anywhere close to as good as those 4 were at their position in any age group in wisconsin. that was a once in a lifetime age group for this area. just to put it into perspective, 7 players from that age group have gone on to a division 1/2 volleyball program. in the 5 years prior to that class there weren't even 7 total players to go to d1/2 volleyball programs from the state of wisconsin. the team was so stacked that the best competition for their starters were their backups. that is not the case with many teams from Wisconsin (or the Midwest in general) which is why you sometimes see a Wisconsin/Midwest team dominate throughout the Midwest season and then go out to California/nationals and finish middle of the pack. competition is a good thing.
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Post by divingisstupid on Oct 21, 2014 11:58:07 GMT -5
I agree that they were once in a lifetime and it still took their best ball to win at 18s that year because the division was pretty stacked at the top. Its going to be the same situation going forward for teams 16s-18s this year. If one club doesn't get wisconin's best to train hard together for 7-8 months...then the odds of any group pushing onto the medal stand becomes pretty low. Multiple clubs is a good thing but once you are 16+...it only makes sense to combine the best players and coaches and make a run. Every time thats happened, Wisconsin has represented itself well on the national stage.
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Post by bradk on Oct 21, 2014 12:14:46 GMT -5
There is talk about competition. Where do we compete on the club scene? In the high school classes (15-18) most clubs only play 3 tournaments in the state (WAL tourney which is no more which is shame because the concession stand for that tournament was amazing, Badger Region, and then Southports tournament). Last year on average teams played 23 tournament dates. So 3 of them were in the state and the other 20 were out of state. In state competition may not be necessary as most of our competition takes place out of state anyways. Yes that 3 month "break" in the schedule is brutal, but that is where your in practice competition comes into place.
Also I went back and looked the 5 years prior to the 2012 class there were 11 players in the 5 previous years who went on to D1/D2, 16 if you you go back 6 years from MVC.
2012 was a great class were the two cores came from the 2 programs and combined to form a great team. (Schneck, Kirchner, Hutz, Kaminski, Michelau all started with North Shore(MVC) then combined at 18's and came home with a gold ball. They also had 2 amazing coaches with that group in Cosson and Reid, and the previous years with Hall and Foley. Not to mention the North Shore guys had Kevin Gemiginai for a couple years prior when learning the basics.
Great discussion all together though. The middle of November will be very interesting to say the least.
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Post by dividedwefall on Oct 21, 2014 12:36:06 GMT -5
interesting, my mistake on the math as far as number of players going to d1/2 programs out of high school prior to the national champion lightning team. I had done the math once all those guys had committed and thought it was 5 total players in the previous 5 years. maybe it was the previous 4 years, or maybe I just completely overlooked a large number of players who played in college. either way my point was that that age group was one like Wisconsin has never seen before. it is very rare that mpsf schools are willing to offer athletic scholarship money to players from Wisconsin, and my guess is that group had 4 guys who had some sort of scholarship offer from that caliber of program.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 12:42:59 GMT -5
A tough team to beat: OPP: Klassen, Turner OH: Instenes, Hoppe, Heinen (Is he done with club?), Caldwell (get him to commute from Middleton-LOL) MH: Schroeder, Mason, Coenen, Smallpage S: Romano L: Wessel
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