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Post by vbsocal56 on Jan 9, 2015 0:55:44 GMT -5
I don't think the area where the teams come from matters too much. it was a big tournament with lots of teams trying to earn a bid which will result in some trash talking which is ok. people should chill a little cause this just happens in normal sports I agree, it's a very normal part of the game and is in most sports. The midwest and east coast teams come to California because the competition is the best you can find in one place. I don't think they steal bids, I think that they earn them. And HPSTL 18 Royal, Coastal 18 Navy, and SPVB 18 Mizuno earned their bids beating some very good teams. That said, for the non California teams, I think that sometimes there is an aura about playing the teams from CA. We played Balboa Bay and lost to them in the first set. I think we may have been playing timid because of their reputation. Then I think we realized that we could beat them and did, the 3rd set was 15-6. I wouldn't think beating Balboa Bay in 18's is much of an accomplishment. They are a shell of there former selves.
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Post by vbinca on Jan 9, 2015 1:51:32 GMT -5
I agree, it's a very normal part of the game and is in most sports. The midwest and east coast teams come to California because the competition is the best you can find in one place. I don't think they steal bids, I think that they earn them. And HPSTL 18 Royal, Coastal 18 Navy, and SPVB 18 Mizuno earned their bids beating some very good teams. That said, for the non California teams, I think that sometimes there is an aura about playing the teams from CA. We played Balboa Bay and lost to them in the first set. I think we may have been playing timid because of their reputation. Then I think we realized that we could beat them and did, the 3rd set was 15-6. I wouldn't think beating Balboa Bay in 18's is much of an accomplishment. They are a shell of there former selves. HPSTL played really well and beat everyone the tournament threw at them until they ran into Baja, I don't think you can take anything from them. Balboa Bay on the other hand is just as good as they used to be, it is just a lot of other teams in Southern California have gotten a lot better and zipped by them.
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Post by aroundtheblock on Jan 9, 2015 3:05:00 GMT -5
I think vbsocal 56 is right that BBVC 18 is a shell of their former selves having to play without three starters. Hpstl would like to think other wise. However a win is a win. Yet our team beat hbc last year in the 17s and it meant nothing because they pulled half their starters. Like someone said earlier, it's all about the championship! Hopefully all teams can be fully loaded and healthy, may the best team win!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 9:19:48 GMT -5
I don't think the area where the teams come from matters too much. it was a big tournament with lots of teams trying to earn a bid which will result in some trash talking which is ok. people should chill a little cause this just happens in normal sports I agree, it's a very normal part of the game and is in most sports. The midwest and east coast teams come to California because the competition is the best you can find in one place. I don't think they steal bids, I think that they earn them. And HPSTL 18 Royal, Coastal 18 Navy, and SPVB 18 Mizuno earned their bids beating some very good teams. That said, for the non California teams, I think that sometimes there is an aura about playing the teams from CA. We played Balboa Bay and lost to them in the first set. I think we may have been playing timid because of their reputation. Then I think we realized that we could beat them and did, the 3rd set was 15-6. A very good point made here about Mid West and East Coast teams coming to the Invitational to play better competition. It is a fact that the teams from California are playing on a little higher level. The requirement to play in points tournaments and the ability to play stiffer competition translates to better play since you are forced to play against better teams on a more consistent basis. The non-California teams must travel to get that exposure since the majority of the regions only have a few clubs that are scattered around that region. Usually having only one national level team per club. The difference in club seasons also effects the play. As an example the SC region has been playing since October the OD region just started practicing in December because the high school season just ended in November. Throw in the Holidays and every ones schedules court time for the whole team is limited. The SC region will end it's season the beginning of February or so and pick up again in May or June to prep for Nationals. you can also add the coaching to that since most of the clubs in the SC region have an affiliation with a college coach or assistant coach ( USC/SCVC; HBC and LBSU; etc.....). Yes there is a mystic about the California teams much like the "legendary" Puerto Rican teams. Volleyball is volleyball, it is played the same everywhere. There is nothing special about the Puerto Rican teams or the California teams aside from maybe determination and passion for the game. Consistent Play is the key. Last years Nationals came down to which team was able to maintain a consistency for the duration of the four day event. That is a long time to have to maintain a constant level of play. The other thing that weighs heavily in to a match is the officiating. Some officials are strong and take charge, others not so much. The boys doing lines are often not interested or distracted or down right mad that they have to waste time doing a line. Most pay very little attention. The white shirt officials however need to be more consistent across the regions. One thing that I noticed I noticed at the Invitational was a very limited number of double contact calls or lifts ( a carry in my day) (yes I'm old), where as doubles and lifts are called a little more tightly in the Mid West and East.
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Post by vballfan3840 on Jan 9, 2015 16:15:06 GMT -5
I watched the MVVC 15s team and don't think they are close to what they were as a 14s team last year. They lost their best player from last year to the 16s team which has hurt them. They are definitely not even a top 10 team in the 15s division at this time in the season. To say they had a tough schedule is questionable. Other than Hawaii and Seaside, they played very mediocre competition including a loss to a very average Main Beach team (with the 2nd set showing a 25-7 score). I am affiliated with a rival club to the MB Surf club and have to disagree with you about them. They are one of the best passing and serving teams in the 15s division. I saw a few of their matches including their semi-final and finals match and they were solid. They had a major lapse in the Hawaii match which had us all thinking they were about to "choke", but they pulled out the win. The kids in this area play a lot of beach and to judge their love of the sport due to a kid's talking to the refs is ridiculous. The boys here are pretty passionate about volleyball. The issue with the referees is felt across all of the teams. The inconsistency of calls creates problems and unfortunately tends to take away from some of the good volleyball. MVVC actually won the second set, but they lost in the third. they could have been better, i agree, but i think they underpreformed and were unable to get a bid because of that. About talking to the ref, is calling every ball that's out "in" good shortsmanship? even the coaches on the bench were getting out of control about little calls. MB surf played a wrong game, winning with their mouth Just as a follow up on this one. Per the results site, MVVC 15 Red lost to Main Beach 2Deep in 2 sets (26-24, 25-7) not in 3, unless I am looking at the wrong bracket (Silver, 2nd round). MB Surf has a pretty strong team and maybe I was watching a different MB Surf team, but they did not appear to win with their mouth and I did not see any poor sportsmanship from either team or either of the coaches. In fact, the final match against HBC was a bit disappointing because HBC had a strong semi-final against a good Pali team. I don't remember any mouthing off by either team in that match. MB Surf dominated the match from start to finish outplaying HBC in all aspects. I'm sure HBC can't wait for a rematch. Now, getting back to the MVVC 15 team, they have an opportunity to show if they are a better team in this weekend's qualifier. There are only 8 teams playing in the 15s division and Main Beach is there as well. So, best of luck to them in earning a bid. I'll keep my eye out on the scores to see how they do.
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Post by HawaiiVB0630 on Jan 9, 2015 19:09:54 GMT -5
MVVC actually won the second set, but they lost in the third. they could have been better, i agree, but i think they underpreformed and were unable to get a bid because of that. About talking to the ref, is calling every ball that's out "in" good shortsmanship? even the coaches on the bench were getting out of control about little calls. MB surf played a wrong game, winning with their mouth Just as a follow up on this one. Per the results site, MVVC 15 Red lost to Main Beach 2Deep in 2 sets (26-24, 25-7) not in 3, unless I am looking at the wrong bracket (Silver, 2nd round). MB Surf has a pretty strong team and maybe I was watching a different MB Surf team, but they did not appear to win with their mouth and I did not see any poor sportsmanship from either team or either of the coaches. In fact, the final match against HBC was a bit disappointing because HBC had a strong semi-final against a good Pali team. I don't remember any mouthing off by either team in that match. MB Surf dominated the match from start to finish outplaying HBC in all aspects. I'm sure HBC can't wait for a rematch. Now, getting back to the MVVC 15 team, they have an opportunity to show if they are a better team in this weekend's qualifier. There are only 8 teams playing in the 15s division and Main Beach is there as well. So, best of luck to them in earning a bid. I'll keep my eye out on the scores to see how they do. I watched MVVC 15's at the qualifier and looked at their results on AES, and they are nowhere near what they used to be last year. They lost both of their outside hitters (#10 and #16) and their setter, and they are just a shell of what they used to be. They moved their middle #13 to outside and he is their only good hitter this year. They lost to Seaside (who played CLUB last year), got blown out by HBC and Spike and Serve and then lost in 2 to Main Beach. I think they will most likely get an at-large bid this year and play open, but they are most definitely not that good anymore.
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Post by vbinca on Jan 9, 2015 19:51:45 GMT -5
I watched MVVC 15's at the qualifier and looked at their results on AES, and they are nowhere near what they used to be last year. They lost both of their outside hitters (#10 and #16) and their setter, and they are just a shell of what they used to be. They moved their middle #13 to outside and he is their only good hitter this year. They lost to Seaside (who played CLUB last year), got blown out by HBC and Spike and Serve and then lost in 2 to Main Beach. I think they will most likely get an at-large bid this year and play open, but they are most definitely not that good anymore. They did lose to Seaside (who played Club division last year at nationals) but you have to look a little closer. MVVC took 9th last year at the SCVA Invitational and Seaside took 11th last year. Seaside missed a bid by one place, then Seaside took 8th at the Boys Classic in the spring and then took 3rd in the Club division at Nationals. This year Seaside beat MVVC in three close. Not that much of a statistical change with the two teams.
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Post by lgb00 on Jan 9, 2015 20:32:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't think beating Balboa Bay in 18's is much of an accomplishment. They are a shell of there former selves. HPSTL played really well and beat everyone the tournament threw at them until they ran into Baja, I don't think you can take anything from them. Balboa Bay on the other hand is just as good as they used to be, it is just a lot of other teams in Southern California have gotten a lot better and zipped by them. My son played 18's last year too so I didn't get a chance to see Balboa Bay at Nationals. I'm not sure of they have injuries or player movement or what but they weren't the team I expected to see.
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Post by vballfordayzz on Jan 13, 2015 0:58:38 GMT -5
They did lose to Seaside (who played Club division last year at nationals) but you have to look a little closer. MVVC took 9th last year at the SCVA Invitational and Seaside took 11th last year. Seaside missed a bid by one place, then Seaside took 8th at the Boys Classic in the spring and then took 3rd in the Club division at Nationals. This year Seaside beat MVVC in three close. Not that much of a statistical change with the two teams. Got to see a bit of this team play in NorCal at Far Westerns. They aren't the team they were last year, losing a couple of key players, but they still do still have a hitting prospect or two. They went undefeated and beat a talented Ku'ikahi team TWICE to claim an open bid. That may not be the team of last year's dominance, but they shouldn't be counted out quite yet!EXACTLY what I've trying to say. They beat Ku'ikahi and made it to the open division. They had great middle play and their libero was pretty good. Oppo #21 was good at the pin, and outsides were also good. Solid team with potential at Nationals
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Post by vballfordayzz on Jan 13, 2015 18:47:07 GMT -5
EXACTLY what I've trying to say. They beat Ku'ikahi and made it to the open division. They had great middle play and their libero was pretty good. Oppo #21 was good at the pin, and outsides were also good. Solid team with potential at Nationals The only downside I possible see is looking at the entire season as a whole, especially in the Seaside game down in LA, they can sometimes be a bit lacking on offense as a whole. Their outsides (mainly #13 and also #14 & #18 as well) have had to carry the load when the middles and opposites falter a little. Overall I like this team on a good day! Libero is solid and setter is good too
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Post by HawaiiVB0630 on Jan 13, 2015 19:36:01 GMT -5
Stop talking about MVVC. There is a reason they came in 10th in Anaheim. THEY ARE NOT GOOD!
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Post by vballfordayzz on Jan 14, 2015 20:37:16 GMT -5
Stop talking about MVVC. There is a reason they came in 10th in Anaheim. THEY ARE NOT GOOD! What if they had a bad day? What if their coaches didnt play their starters? WHat if they dont talk back at refs like all those stupid so cal teams? Does that make them bad?
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Post by HawaiiVB0630 on Jan 14, 2015 21:05:04 GMT -5
I don't want to get into it with you, but they went 4-4 and came in 10th. At some point, you have to realize they are most definetly not the team they were last year.
They lost to Main Beach 25-7 in the 2nd set of their final game.
The only talk about any 15's team on this forum in MVVC, and that is so unjust seeing how they are not even a top team.
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