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Post by cadf on Jan 7, 2015 14:29:19 GMT -5
Fortvball- I witnessed the coach making comments. I would find it hard to believe that the kid would make that up seconds after walking off the court. And Yeah that is what I said. The kids of 949 did nothing wrong. Very classy actually. It is not the club itself that is frustrating me, it is that coach in particular I've had High school aged kids accuse an assistant coach of inappropriate comments, only to discover weeks later they made it all up. Hearsay is hearsay. If you don't know either one of these individuals personally you are treading dangerous water taking this as gospel. Not saying the coach didn't say anything, but the word of one 17 year old kid after a heated competition is not enough grounds to ask for the coach to be fired.
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Post by fortvball on Jan 7, 2015 15:37:29 GMT -5
Fortvball- I witnessed the coach making comments. I would find it hard to believe that the kid would make that up seconds after walking off the court. And Yeah that is what I said. The kids of 949 did nothing wrong. Very classy actually. It is not the club itself that is frustrating me, it is that coach in particular I've had High school aged kids accuse an assistant coach of inappropriate comments, only to discover weeks later they made it all up. Hearsay is hearsay. If you don't know either one of these individuals personally you are treading dangerous water taking this as gospel. Not saying the coach didn't say anything, but the word of one 17 year old kid after a heated competition is not enough grounds to ask for the coach to be fired.
This is really all I am getting at. Thanks for putting it so well cadf.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 16:55:34 GMT -5
I have had the pleasure of being witness to the trash talking that comes from a select few of the LIVBC players, NOT ALL, but a few. I have to say that there was just as much trash talk coming from some of the California boys as from the New York kids. I can say with certainty the the LIVBC 17 team is a good group of boys and parents and having been in a few intense matches with them, nothing out of line was spoken anywhere. Just good hard play from both sides. I have been around volleyball a while and the interaction through the net is different depending on your location. If you think the comments that were described above are demeaning, you should make a point to listen to the Puerto Rican players talk trash. They make it personal! But that is accepted in Puerto Rico. And I must agree that if you were not present and did not hear the interaction personally you can't positively quote it!
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Post by hardworkwins on Jan 7, 2015 16:59:50 GMT -5
I have had the pleasure of being witness to the trash talking that comes from a select few of the LIVBC players, NOT ALL, but a few. I have to say that there was just as much trash talk coming from some of the California boys as from the New York kids. I can say with certainty the the LIVBC 17 team is a good group of boys and parents and having been in a few intense matches with them, nothing out of line was spoken anywhere. Just good hard play from both sides. I have been around volleyball a while and the interaction through the net is different depending on your location. If you think the comments that were described above are demeaning, you should make a point to listen to the Puerto Rican players talk trash. They make it personal! But that is accepted in Puerto Rico. And I must agree that if you were not present and did not hear the interaction personally you can't positively quote it! I think the issue was the one specific interaction rather than the trash talking as a whole. Personally I have no issue with trash talk on the court but when it comes off the court it is an issue. As someone who after reading all of this has no idea what happened I hope both sides can kiss and make up and we can get back to volleuball.
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Post by vball1818 on Jan 7, 2015 18:08:01 GMT -5
Just seems to me like these west coasters are a little shaken by the fact that these east coast teams can hang with them now. Non-west coast volleyball is evolving. Personally, I think this is the reason the coach may have acted as he did. Just a little bit of frustration resulting in a poor decision This...
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Post by vbinca on Jan 7, 2015 18:10:31 GMT -5
Just seems to me like these west coasters are a little shaken by the fact that these east coast teams can hang with them now. Non-west coast volleyball is evolving. Personally, I think this is the reason the coach may have acted as he did. Just a little bit of frustration resulting in a poor decision Seems to me that if this attitude is how you personally - as a coach, player or parent - need to motivate yourself to get in game mode, then so be it. But, it seems you are creating this imaginary conflict between the coasts, and the middle in your case. I have never thought less of teams simply because they are not from California. On the contrary, I remember talking with a parent from Yorktown last Invitational and being shocked when they told me that they had players from three different states and had players who had to travel nearly two hours, both ways, to practice. My first thought was how can most California teams compete with that. There are so many clubs in California that the quality of players per team start to get diluted. A lot of teams from other areas are basically state/regional all-star teams. Many California teams are made up of players who go to the same high school. But, if you need to make up things to motivate yourself or your team then good luck with that. The reason the games are played is to find out who the better teams are, no amount of pot stirring after the fact will change the results.
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Post by skiboy on Jan 7, 2015 19:33:56 GMT -5
I'm not a long-time observer of volleyball on the national level - just the past few years as my son has gone from 15s to 18s here in Northern California. As I have watched teams from around the state and the country I've seen a lot of variation in boys' attitudes, but it mostly seems to be the boy and not the team or the region of the country. LIVBC doesn't seem too different to me. A kid or two are loud, but we get that here too from our local teams. I know as a dad, I've watched boys on other teams that seem like jerks and it brings out the competitor in me - it's just human nature. I would love to say something to them, but never would. If I was a coach, I'd probably feel even more tempted to tell a kid from another team what I thought, but never would. Maybe as a coach I'd say something to their coach if I really thought a kid was out of line. Coaches and parents have to take the high road and not confront players on other teams.
Funny incident - at Far Westerns last year, one of the kids calling lines for one of our games was being a bit of a pain, just kind of being a fool instead of simply doing his job. One of our players turned and looked at him after one call and the kid calling lines took offense and walked onto the court asking for a fight with our player. Everyone saw this and our coach started to walk onto the court to intervene but in a very calm, non-threatening manner. It seemed totally appropriate at the time. The up ref immediately descended on our coach and was about to boot him out of the tournament. Had to call over the tournament director and the ensuing discussion took about 30 minutes. He got to stay and the match went on, but the kid calling lines was replaced. No biggee, but I was surprised how quickly the official reacted to the coach. I would imagine you all have seen a lot of interesting on-court incidents over the years. That might make for an entertaining thread.
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Post by fortvball on Jan 7, 2015 19:44:55 GMT -5
I think the issue was the one specific interaction rather than the trash talking as a whole. Personally I have no issue with trash talk on the court but when it comes off the court it is an issue. As someone who after reading all of this has no idea what happened I hope both sides can kiss and make up and we can get back to volleuball. The funny thing is that in theory neither side is chiming in the thread. midwestvb101 claims to be neutral and that he is not trying to harm a club, even though he wants the coach fired. I have claimed an affiliation (parent) with Legacy VB and that I was at the LIVBC vs Legacy and the first LIVBC vs 949 matches. I thought the kids on LIVBC were obnoxious, but I really didn't have a big problem with it. I never said that they did anything wrong, just that I felt they were embarrassing. My issue isn't with LIVBC or their actions, my only issue is with midwestvb101. He is calling for a coach to be fired for something he didn't even personally hear. In fact he does not even know the kid it was supposedly said to. If LIVBC has an issue with the 949 coach then they can deal with it throught USA Volleyball, SCVA or between the clubs themselves. I simply don't think this board is the place where unsubstantiated accusations of this magnitude should be aired, and for that I think midwestvb101 owes the 949 coach an equally public apology.
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Post by vballfordayzz on Jan 7, 2015 20:23:42 GMT -5
I still think MVVC 15s underplayed. they had a tough schedule. Other teams had good tourney too in the 15s, tough schedules just make it hard to get to the top. MB surf, in my opinions, want to play volleyball in a style that they have to win by getting every call and that there's no other way of winning. Luke Grafton seems like huge d*** with all the talk he was doing with the ref, he just didn't play for the love of the sport
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 20:38:29 GMT -5
who in the hell cares about LIVBC...when was the last time they won anything...its funny how much importance people put on this tournament...its just for a bid...its only and will only ever be about JO's...personally i could give two !&@#$ how kids act, in fact i hope kids are expressing more emotion on the court...its what this sport needs...more emotion means more passion means more fans which means more money...so really ladies...take your bickering back to the midwest and east coast Yeah they play ladies volleyball in the Midwest. Just ask NCAA Champion Loyola. And the 3 players on their team who won JOs at 16s and 18s with their Midwest club team.
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Post by eastcoastball on Jan 7, 2015 21:43:55 GMT -5
who in the hell cares about LIVBC...when was the last time they won anything...its funny how much importance people put on this tournament...its just for a bid...its only and will only ever be about JO's...personally i could give two !&@#$ how kids act, in fact i hope kids are expressing more emotion on the court...its what this sport needs...more emotion means more passion means more fans which means more money...so really ladies...take your bickering back to the midwest and east coast See that crappy attitude is how you can tell the difference between California kids and East Coast kids. You say it's just for a bid...but how many non Cali teams took bids away from teams that "usually" get bids? A lot. LIVBC 17s is one of those teams that stole a bid so think before you talk next time. ?
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Post by vbsetter2012 on Jan 7, 2015 22:58:40 GMT -5
who in the hell cares about LIVBC...when was the last time they won anything...its funny how much importance people put on this tournament...its just for a bid...its only and will only ever be about JO's...personally i could give two !&@#$ how kids act, in fact i hope kids are expressing more emotion on the court...its what this sport needs...more emotion means more passion means more fans which means more money...so really ladies...take your bickering back to the midwest and east coast See that crappy attitude is how you can tell the difference between California kids and East Coast kids. You say it's just for a bid...but how many non Cali teams took bids away from teams that "usually" get bids? A lot. LIVBC 17s is one of those teams that stole a bid so think before you talk next time. ? Don't be surprised if UNO 17 Elite doesn't "steal" a bid this weekend at the NCVA qualifier......
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Post by HawaiiVB0630 on Jan 7, 2015 23:01:06 GMT -5
I still think MVVC 15s underplayed. they had a tough schedule. Other teams had good tourney too in the 15s, tough schedules just make it hard to get to the top. MB surf, in my opinions, want to play volleyball in a style that they have to win by getting every call and that there's no other way of winning. Luke Grafton seems like huge d*** with all the talk he was doing with the ref, he just didn't play for the love of the sport Yeah, he literally argued with the ref after every single point. Super annoying.
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Post by eastcoastvolleyball on Jan 7, 2015 23:43:33 GMT -5
who in the hell cares about LIVBC...when was the last time they won anything...its funny how much importance people put on this tournament...its just for a bid...its only and will only ever be about JO's...personally i could give two !&@#$ how kids act, in fact i hope kids are expressing more emotion on the court...its what this sport needs...more emotion means more passion means more fans which means more money...so really ladies...take your bickering back to the midwest and east coast See that crappy attitude is how you can tell the difference between California kids and East Coast kids. You say it's just for a bid...but how many non Cali teams took bids away from teams that "usually" get bids? A lot. LIVBC 17s is one of those teams that stole a bid so think before you talk next time. ? I don't know man I think if a lot of the California teams came to Can-Am, Nittany, and East Coast they would "steal" our bids. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing. The level of volleyball played is increasing exponentially nationwide. East Coast teams getting to travel to California and experience that level of volleyball and that volleyball culture is an awesome thing. What California has done for the sport of volleyball over the past fifty years is amazing. Parity means friction, friction creates fire, etc. That just means we get better volleyball.
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Post by ballerballs on Jan 8, 2015 1:06:32 GMT -5
I don't think the area where the teams come from matters too much. it was a big tournament with lots of teams trying to earn a bid which will result in some trash talking which is ok. people should chill a little cause this just happens in normal sports
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