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Post by vbf on Jan 6, 2015 15:08:25 GMT -5
18s The quarterfinal match between HBC and Pac Rim had to be the most watched match of the entire tournament. Tons of people surrounded the court to watch that match. HBC won in 3.
As others have noted Balboa not earning a bid was a big story of the event. Injuries can really turn a top team competing in the national championships to a team struggling to qualify.
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Post by vbinca on Jan 6, 2015 16:46:16 GMT -5
Over the last two tournaments (Holiday Classic and Invitational), The HBC has gone 19-0 in matches and 38-3 in sets. During those same two tournaments Baja went 18-2 in matches, Seaside went 16-2 in matches and Pacific Rim went 14-2 in matches. The only sets The HBC lost were to Baja, Seaside and Pacific Rim. The only team to beat Baja, Seaside and Pacific Rim in two tournaments was The HBC. In both tournaments, The HBC ran into Pacific Rim in the quarter finals and beat them , then beat Seaside in the semis and then beat Baja in the finals. I think SCVA needs to move Seaside and/or Pacific Rim to the other side of the bracket. We know The HBC can beat all three of those teams, but the other three teams have not played each other yet so we don't know who really is two, three and four.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 19:16:48 GMT -5
With 10 bids on the line at SCVA, it is still the better choice in trying to get a bid The SCVA Invitational is the hardest path to a bid. It is the first tournament so no one comes in with a bid in hand. Most of the non Southern California teams who place in the top 25 of the 18s division will gain a bid through another bid tournament and end up at Nationals. Last year Spiral 18 did not get a bid at SCVA but then won Nationals. SCVA Invitational is a proving grounds, look at the scores of so many of those games that went to three, some really fantastic teams came away empty handed, no other bid tournament in America is as unforgiving. Yup. Like I said, the quantity may be up for the IL qualifier, but the quality is not. No Southern California teams are making the trip, which was the purpose of taking WI's 3 bids and making it a 3 day, convention center tournament. Just as a sample, look at the finishes of each team that qualified in the SCVA Tournament compared to the finishes of the teams that qualified in the IL tournament at the 17s age level, as well as the finishes at each tournament for the teams that attended both tournaments... Winter Volleyball Championships: 1st place - West Allis Lightning - finished 10th at Junior Nationals 2nd place - MVC 17 Jake - finished 22nd at Junior Nationals Tied for 3rd (with Coastal, who already had their bid) - Vortex - finished tied 17th at Junior Nationals Tied for 5th - Ocean Bay - finished tied for 11th at Junior Nationals Tied for 5th - Ultimate Gold - finished 9th at Junior Nationals Tied for 5th - Kiva - finished tied for 33rd (last) at Junior Nationals - 2 top 10 teams but 0 Gold finishes and 2 teams that finished in a Flight. SCVA qualifier: 1st place - Balboa Bay 17 Asics - finished 2nd at Junior Nationals 2nd place - Bones - finished tied for 3rd at Junior Nationals Tied for 3rd - Pace Bootlegger - finished tied for 3rd at Junior Nationals Tied for 3rd - Coastal - finished tied for 5th at Junior Nationals Tied for 5th - Diablo Veni Vidi Vici - finished 13th at Junior Nationals Tied for 5th - Team Rockstar - finished 29th at Junior Nationals Tied for 5th - Pac Rim - finished 1st at Junior Nationals Tied for 5th - SMBC - finished 30th at Junior Nationals Tied for 9th - Legacy - finished 21st at Junior Nationals Tied for 9th - 949 - finished tied for 5th at Junior Nationals - The top 4 teams, as well as 2 other Gold division teams, while 3 teams finished in a Flight division. - Not to mention, SCVC finished 17th in this tournament and finished tied for 5th at Nationals. Looking at teams that attended both tournaments and where they finished: - Coastal finished tied for 3rd in both tournaments - Vortex finished tied for 3rd in IL while finishing 23rd in the SCVA tournament - Ocean Bay finished tied for 5th in IL while finishing 33rd in the SCVA tournament - St. Louis HP finished 10th in IL while finishing tied for 11th in the SCVA tournament - LIVBC 17 National finished 11th in IL while finishing tied for 26th in the SCVA tournament - LIVBC 17 Regional finished 12th in IL while finishing tied for 41st in the SCVA tournament So again, looking at finishes among teams that went to both events and finishes of teams that qualified at each event, it's pretty clear that while quantity may be up at the IL qualifier, quality certainly favors the SCVA tournament, and IL is not drawing those teams from the West coast. It's not even close which qualifier is more difficult to earn a bid at, regardless of the percentages of teams that get a bid in each tournament It also puts WI teams at a huge disadvantage, as now the biggest bid tournament is right as they are staring their club season and have not had a lot of time together at all as a team to gel. Not only that, but it ends on the Monday of Martin Luther King day because IL schools and many businesses are closed, so it does not interfere with their schedules, but WI schools have school that day and some schools even have final semester exams that day, so they may be missing players, and parents have to take a vacation day to drive their kid down to IL. Also, last year they set the schedule up so that some teams were done with all pools by the end of Sunday and only had their bracket to play, so some teams only had 1 match. I know in one instance a team from Wisconsin finished up on Sunday by 2:00 PM and then weren't scheduled to play until 1:00 PM on Monday, but of course the schedule doesn't come out until 2 days before then and it's a stay to play tournament, so hotel rooms had to be reserved for Sunday night. They had a 23 hour break to play 1 match, lost, and turned around to go home, all while taking a day off of work and paying for a hotel. Poorly run and not drawing the crowd they hoped for, so really there was no reason to take WI's 3 bids/qualifier.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 19:19:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 19:27:29 GMT -5
the only person i listen to is pat foley Well played.
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Post by Wahinevball1234 on Jan 6, 2015 20:04:51 GMT -5
I'm not going to name names because I wasn't there but if the player is who I'm guessing it is that is not out of character. I've seen players from that team get in verbal arguments on and off the court. Also seen bad acts of sportsmanship by parents from that club, really a shame and I hope they take this seriously. It's New York. A different culture and attitude. But still inexcusable. Trust me its a LIVBC thing. I have never seen a Pace coach act like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 20:50:24 GMT -5
Midwest teams need to learn how to play defense. Last year, Pac Rim 17s spent half of their warm up time digging balls and not letting balls hit the ground. Their defensive footwork and hustle was as good as anything I've seen. Maybe it's the beach play on the West coast that promotes this. When the Midwest teams figure this out, they will be able to play with anyone. The offense on the top Midwest teams is good enough to win any match.
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Post by fortvball on Jan 7, 2015 2:11:56 GMT -5
Speaking of LIVBC, did anyone see the match between LIVBC 18s and 949? One of the worst displays of sportsmanship I have ever personally witnessed. One of the players from LIVBC approach the 949 coach after the match, grabbed his shoulder and made some very disparaging remarks...kudos to the 949 coach for restraining himself and walking away... I actually got a chance to catch this game, and this post sickens me. Coming from the midwest, I do not favor east or west coast teams in any manor. I watched this game just because it was on court one, completely unbiased to either side. During the match, 949 and LIVBC players were going back and fourth though the net as most teams do. Good, harmless, competitive fun. 949 (8 seed) was visibly frustrated as LIVBC (28 Seed) was not backing down in the slightest. The game extended to 27-25 in the third set with 949 barely squeezing past. What a match. As the players were shaking hands and hugging respectfully, it was visible that the coach of 949 was making inappropriate comments to the players of LIVBC. After this coach whispered somehing in the ear of an LIVBC player, an LIVBC teammate came, pulled the coach away and told the coach to back off. I approached the LIVBC player the coach was whispering to and asked what was said just out of my own curiosity, and what he said was that the coach told him "How does your face feel after my boy just embarrassed you and blew you up?" This is utter;y disgusting. A grown man making disparaging remarks to 17 year old boys is wrong and flat out embarrassing. Not only should this 949 coach face termination, he should not be around children of that age period, in any way shape or form. I would not want my kid around a coach like this, and I hope the parents and players of that club realize that as well. No "kudos" of any form should be given to the coach of 949. It is the players and coach of the LIVBC 18s who should be commended for acting like mature adults and moving past a disgraceful act of immaturity. Over the weekend, I caught glimpses of a few of LIVBC 18s' other matches. They are far from disrespectful, as other comments have suggested. They are not an overpowering team, but they are successful because of their "fireball" style of play. They are scrappy and energetic. I thoroughly enjoyed watching them play because they play harder than any team I saw all weekend. Besides one middle that is attending Sacred Heart, the rest of the team will land at local d3 volleyball programs. With this being said, they still find ways to not just compete with, but beat clubs with a full roster of top d1 recruits. Coming in as the 28th seed, I saw they beat 15 seed OCVC day one with commits to UCLA and UCSB. They beat Yorktowne day two, with commits to Pepperdine, Penn State, and Lewis. And on the final day, they were inches away from taking down 949 with commits to pepperdine, Princeton, UCI, and USC. They finished tied for 12. Just because a team plays with energy does not make them disrespectful. I believe that the reason that this team is receiving negative attention is because these top teams are frustrated that this little LIVBC team can play with them. I have mass amounts of respect for this team, and I look forward to watching them play again in Chicago. I am anxious to see if they will play my son, knowing how much fun a match like that could be. Kudos to LIVBC, Coastal, Yorktowne, and Ultimate Chicago for a great showing for the eastern half of the US. These teams definitely opened the eyes of the West Coast Powerhouses. Speaking of Missry above, the kid is a beast. He carried his 17s LIVBC team all the way to the gold bracket final, almost taking down top ranked SCVC. Excited to see where he ends up midwestvb- While I don't post often you can check my past posts and see that I am affiliated with Legacy. So, I have nothing to do with either team. However, we were in the pool that day. First you can talk up a team as much as you want, but at least have your facts straight. "The game extended to 27-25 in the third set with 949 barely squeezing past." I don't think so. LIVBC lost in two to 949, 28-26 & 25-16. The only "squeezing out" that day was the LIVBC win over Legacy which was won in the third set by LIVBC 15-13 and over BRYC which was also won in the third set by LIVBC 15-12. Both close matches, unlike the final set against 949. If you doubt me, please go look at the official results. They are posted. I was also at the match between LIVBC & 949 and the LIVBC kids are obnoxious. In fact I saw them play both 949 & Legacy and they have no respect for the other players or coaches. They totally lack class and it is embarrassing. I saw the original post and would not have done that myself, nor commented on it, but seeing your post made me re-consider. The 949 players are hard playing and respectful kids. I have never interacted with the coach so I would not know if he would say what you claim he said. What I do know is I would not take the work of the LIVBC kid, and then post it here, without actually hearing it myself. Spreading that type of information, making those accusations, and then making those demands, based upon hearsay, is very irresponsible. Unless you actually heard it yourself, I think you own the 949 coach an apology. Anything less than that and we know who you are actually affiliated with.
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Post by vbinca on Jan 7, 2015 2:50:15 GMT -5
midwestvb- While I don't post often you can check my past posts and see that I am affiliated with Legacy. So, I have nothing to do with either team. However, we were in the pool that day. First you can talk up a team as much as you want, but at least have your facts straight. "The game extended to 27-25 in the third set with 949 barely squeezing past." I don't think so. LIVBC lost in two to 949, 28-26 & 25-16. The only "squeezing out" that day was the LIVBC win over Legacy which was won in the third set by LIVBC 15-13 and over BRYC which was also won in the third set by LIVBC 15-12. Both close matches, unlike the final set against 949. If you doubt me, please go look at the official results. They are posted. I was also at the match between LIVBC & 949 and the LIVBC kids are obnoxious. In fact I saw them play both 949 & Legacy and they have no respect for the other players or coaches. They totally lack class and it is embarrassing. I saw the original post and would not have done that myself, nor commented on it, but seeing your post made me re-consider. The 949 players are hard playing and respectful kids. I have never interacted with the coach so I would not know if he would say what you claim he said. What I do know is I would not take the work of the LIVBC kid, and then post it here, without actually hearing it myself. Spreading that type of information, making those accusations, and then making those demands, based upon hearsay, is very irresponsible. Unless you actually heard it yourself, I think you own the 949 coach an apology. Anything less than that and we know who you are actually affiliated with. 949 played LIVBC twice, once in pool and once in the Silver A bracket. The incident being talked about happened after the Silver A bracket game where the third set did go 27-25 with 949 winning. Funny thing is that I watched that game to the end and didn't see any of this happen. Since I didn't see it I can not say anything about it, but since I was there and didn't see anything I think this might be much to do about nothing.
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Post by fortvball on Jan 7, 2015 3:13:59 GMT -5
midwestvb- While I don't post often you can check my past posts and see that I am affiliated with Legacy. So, I have nothing to do with either team. However, we were in the pool that day. First you can talk up a team as much as you want, but at least have your facts straight. "The game extended to 27-25 in the third set with 949 barely squeezing past." I don't think so. LIVBC lost in two to 949, 28-26 & 25-16. The only "squeezing out" that day was the LIVBC win over Legacy which was won in the third set by LIVBC 15-13 and over BRYC which was also won in the third set by LIVBC 15-12. Both close matches, unlike the final set against 949. If you doubt me, please go look at the official results. They are posted. I was also at the match between LIVBC & 949 and the LIVBC kids are obnoxious. In fact I saw them play both 949 & Legacy and they have no respect for the other players or coaches. They totally lack class and it is embarrassing. I saw the original post and would not have done that myself, nor commented on it, but seeing your post made me re-consider. The 949 players are hard playing and respectful kids. I have never interacted with the coach so I would not know if he would say what you claim he said. What I do know is I would not take the work of the LIVBC kid, and then post it here, without actually hearing it myself. Spreading that type of information, making those accusations, and then making those demands, based upon hearsay, is very irresponsible. Unless you actually heard it yourself, I think you own the 949 coach an apology. Anything less than that and we know who you are actually affiliated with. 949 played LIVBC twice, once in pool and once in the Silver A bracket. The incident being talked about happened after the Silver A bracket game where the third set did go 27-25 with 949 winning. Funny thing is that I watched that game to the end and didn't see any of this happen. Since I didn't see it I can not say anything about it, but since I was there and didn't see anything I think this might be much to do about nothing. vbinca- Thanks and I stand corrected. I did not know they played them twice. Like I said, I have absolutely nothing to do with 949 other than watching them play over the last few years. However I still do stand by the fact that midwestvb should not be stating things as fact that he did not personally hear. Especially things so potentially damaging. He owes 949 and the coach an apology. However, I have a feeling there will be other people posting soon to back him up. Of course it will be interesting that they will all be new board members...
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Post by vball1818 on Jan 7, 2015 7:06:34 GMT -5
West coast people just can’t stomach the fact that LIVBC had success at their tournament. A few weeks ago they questioned whether the 17’s team should have been ranked 10th in Vball Mag. Looks like they should have been ranked higher. Not only did Dylan Missry dominate but the rest of the team outplayed most of the Cali boys. So instead of congratulating LIVBC they trash players, parents and coaches. Sour grapes.
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Post by fortvball on Jan 7, 2015 12:09:24 GMT -5
West coast people just can’t stomach the fact that LIVBC had success at their tournament. A few weeks ago they questioned whether the 17’s team should have been ranked 10th in Vball Mag. Looks like they should have been ranked higher. Not only did Dylan Missry dominate but the rest of the team outplayed most of the Cali boys. So instead of congratulating LIVBC they trash players, parents and coaches. Sour grapes. Like I said before, "However, I have a feeling there will be other people posting soon to back him up. Of course it will be interesting that they will all be new board members..."
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Post by fortvball on Jan 7, 2015 12:20:11 GMT -5
I don't know the events that led up to that point. But I would never take time out of my day to undermine an innocent person for no reason. I was watching as a neutral bystander, and I witnessed something being said, and that is what I was told was said. I am not coming after the club, the kids handled themselves with respect, hugging their oppnents after the game. But the comments were 100% made and I stand by that "But I would never take time out of my day to undermine an innocent person for no reason." - Apparently you would, because you are. As for not coming after the club that is not true either. From your first post, "Not only should this 949 coach face termination, he should not be around children of that age period." If you don't think that is attacking the coach is also attacking the club, you are clueless. You have no evidence that anything was said other than the word of some kid that you don't even know. How you can claim the comments were "100% made" is crazy. Unless you heard them yourself and you were lying before about how you learned of the comment there is no basis for your accusation. I stand by what I said before, you owe the coach an apology.
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Post by future on Jan 7, 2015 12:20:26 GMT -5
At this time of year, there are always a number of factors to consider. Some of these 18's teams are the same core of players and you can see their synergy, while some of these teams clearly have have some lineup kinks and adaptations to work out. Some of the travel teams had that factor too. Some have injuries and sickness issues too. Of course, the big one of competition is a major factor at this time of year. Clearly a clubs like LIVBC and team like Pace 16's hit it running but clubs like Coastal and Eden, all who play HS ball in the fall just weren't up to speed yet. I will say I was very happy to see Coastal 18's regroup and battle back the way they did on day 2 to grind out a bid. Terrific fortitude.
The 18's is very deep group this year and it was great to see so many East and Midwest teams out there this year. Terrific tourney and great people involved.
The Can Am has some terrific Canadian clubs coming down so looking forward to that.
PS. don't go so hard on the LI kids. They have always played with alot of passion, maybe it got a way from them....maybe not.
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Post by vball1818 on Jan 7, 2015 13:37:37 GMT -5
Looks like 10 posts makes you a seasoned veteran then? LIVBC and Pace both play HS ball in the fall. SCVA Inv. was the first tourney of the season for both clubs.
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