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Post by ballerballs on Jan 8, 2015 1:29:24 GMT -5
Is this kid a junior or senior? A senior with that unique birthday that allows him to play down and age group. why does this kid wana play on a 17s team even though he's a senior? wouldn't he want to be on a team with his own grade? just a little confused
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Post by fortvball on Jan 8, 2015 1:30:42 GMT -5
Fortvball- I was at the game. I saw what I saw. I know the coach made demeaning remarks, and it was confirmed when I asked the player. I would not post if I wasnt 100%. You owe me an apology for questioning my validity. Let's move past this, I've said what I needed I understand that you were at the game and that you saw what you saw, but you didn't hear anything. Even you acknowledge that. Validity is being factually sound, and your statements are not factually sound. I do not think you are a liar. I believe that you believe the kid you asked is telling the truth, but that in no way makes it true. However, unless you heard it yourself there is no way you could be 100% certain that it was said. For you to say anything other than that totally undermines anything else you have to say. You are willing to forgo logic to simply be correct. I have never claimed to know what happened or what was or was not said. All I have claimed from the very first post is that unless you heard it yourself, it is not possible for you to be 100% certain that it was actually said. This is exactly the reason why hearsay is not allowed in court. And while I understand this is not a court of law, it does not change the basic reasons why hearsay is not fact. As an adult, I would think that you would have enough sense to think before you post. However, that is the problem with boards like these is the fact that you can say the things you have said with no fear of being personally confronted on it. You are a coward (for posting this here) and a fool (for blinding believing what you were told) and I hope your future posts will be about something more than hollow accusations of a person that has no chance to defend himself. Like it or not you still owe him an apology. Good luck to LIVBC and 949 for the rest of the season and at JO's.
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Post by vball1818 on Jan 8, 2015 7:16:18 GMT -5
A senior with that unique birthday that allows him to play down and age group. why does this kid wana play on a 17s team even though he's a senior? wouldn't he want to be on a team with his own grade? just a little confused The age cut off for school is Dec. 1st so most teams have kids in 2 different grades on their teams if you go by the USA vball cutoff of Sept. 1st. The Pace 16's have sophs and juniors on their team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 9:11:28 GMT -5
There were a lot of good points brought out in this DEBATE, one of which is the EAST versus the West Versus the Midwest. I had this discussion with a parent from a California team during the weekend events. The talent pool is much larger in the densely populated southern California areas as well as in New York areas. Chicago is a growing talent pool as well. The ability to play teams with a higher level of talent on a more consistent basis is much easier in those areas also. In fact the Southern California Volleyball Association is ideal for that. Those teams are exposed to a consistently high level of play during their club season. The other areas that field teams may only be able to field a few quality teams and play is not as consistent. Virginia being one of those areas for example. In order for the Coastal VA teams to play at a higher level they must travel to California and the Midwest. The need to travel long distances limits the exposure to high level volleyball. however the player talent is equal to those areas. The major differences are that the clubs in the SCVA area were started or are coached by the numerous college coaches in the area. The Florida, Virginia and Texas clubs for example do not have that level of coaching. but as the interest in the sport increases so does the talent pool increase and the skill levels. The Coastal VA teams have performed at a high level and consistently over the past few years. The current 18s team has placed in the top 10 the last few years and the current 17s, the top 15 over the last two years. Other non-California teams are also moving up the chain. The California clubs do not have to travel outside of California to get quality matches. It would be nice if they did come to the Chicago tournament, or the Can-AM (that would severely hamstring the Pace guys from guaranteeing one of their clubs a direct path to a bid). The different high school seasons make travel to the ECC or Saint Louis impossible for some clubs. All in all, there will always be EAST v West v Mid West. It's good for the growth of the sport and to increase interest. So you guys keep bickering about which coast is the best or who invented the sport or what ever! Just please remember that you are ADULTS (some maybe not) and BTW; GO VOLS (SEC).
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Post by vballfan3840 on Jan 8, 2015 10:14:04 GMT -5
I still think MVVC 15s underplayed. they had a tough schedule. Other teams had good tourney too in the 15s, tough schedules just make it hard to get to the top. MB surf, in my opinions, want to play volleyball in a style that they have to win by getting every call and that there's no other way of winning. Luke Grafton seems like huge d*** with all the talk he was doing with the ref, he just didn't play for the love of the sport I watched the MVVC 15s team and don't think they are close to what they were as a 14s team last year. They lost their best player from last year to the 16s team which has hurt them. They are definitely not even a top 10 team in the 15s division at this time in the season. To say they had a tough schedule is questionable. Other than Hawaii and Seaside, they played very mediocre competition including a loss to a very average Main Beach team (with the 2nd set showing a 25-7 score). I am affiliated with a rival club to the MB Surf club and have to disagree with you about them. They are one of the best passing and serving teams in the 15s division. I saw a few of their matches including their semi-final and finals match and they were solid. They had a major lapse in the Hawaii match which had us all thinking they were about to "choke", but they pulled out the win. The kids in this area play a lot of beach and to judge their love of the sport due to a kid's talking to the refs is ridiculous. The boys here are pretty passionate about volleyball. The issue with the referees is felt across all of the teams. The inconsistency of calls creates problems and unfortunately tends to take away from some of the good volleyball.
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Post by vbinca on Jan 8, 2015 13:44:36 GMT -5
Don't be surprised if UNO 17 Elite doesn't "steal" a bid this weekend at the NCVA qualifier...... Looks like they are going to be in the hardest first pool - 1. Seaside, 2. Bay to Bay, 3. Uno. Three bids available, both Pacific Rim and NCVC already have bids, the next top teams using results from SCVA Invitational would be Coast, Seaside and Bay to Bay. Only first or second out of the first pool has a chance for the bid, so one of those three will be out of it after the first pool.
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Post by vb01 on Jan 8, 2015 15:49:33 GMT -5
I feel like I've been listening in on a soap opera that my mom's been watching the past couple days... or reading a very poorly written romance novel... please pass the popcorn.
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Post by cadf on Jan 8, 2015 16:08:52 GMT -5
Fort- I don't owe the man an apology for trash talking 17 year old kids. He messed up and there's no reason I should be apologizing for that. The problem with these boards falls on people like you. This is a junior volleyball forum. Someone talked about the attitudes of a team and a speculated incident between a player and a coach, and I stated my view of the situation. Then you start talking about morals and what's right and what's wrong. Instead of talking about volleyball I'm busy responding to your childish comments of what kind of person you think I am. Youre entitled to your opinion of me, but this is not the place for that. It is "volleytalk" for a reason. Like it or not, that's cowardly behind an anonymus screen and an apology is in order. I'm sorry if we have different views, didn't mean to upset ya You called for a coach to be fired and banned from youth sports based on hearsay from an 18 y/o kid. Who is the one on here not talking volleyball?
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Post by akbar on Jan 8, 2015 18:08:06 GMT -5
Move along people.....nothing to see here.
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Post by vballfordayzz on Jan 8, 2015 18:15:36 GMT -5
I still think MVVC 15s underplayed. they had a tough schedule. Other teams had good tourney too in the 15s, tough schedules just make it hard to get to the top. MB surf, in my opinions, want to play volleyball in a style that they have to win by getting every call and that there's no other way of winning. Luke Grafton seems like huge d*** with all the talk he was doing with the ref, he just didn't play for the love of the sport I watched the MVVC 15s team and don't think they are close to what they were as a 14s team last year. They lost their best player from last year to the 16s team which has hurt them. They are definitely not even a top 10 team in the 15s division at this time in the season. To say they had a tough schedule is questionable. Other than Hawaii and Seaside, they played very mediocre competition including a loss to a very average Main Beach team (with the 2nd set showing a 25-7 score). I am affiliated with a rival club to the MB Surf club and have to disagree with you about them. They are one of the best passing and serving teams in the 15s division. I saw a few of their matches including their semi-final and finals match and they were solid. They had a major lapse in the Hawaii match which had us all thinking they were about to "choke", but they pulled out the win. The kids in this area play a lot of beach and to judge their love of the sport due to a kid's talking to the refs is ridiculous. The boys here are pretty passionate about volleyball. The issue with the referees is felt across all of the teams. The inconsistency of calls creates problems and unfortunately tends to take away from some of the good volleyball. MVVC actually won the second set, but they lost in the third. they could have been better, i agree, but i think they underpreformed and were unable to get a bid because of that. About talking to the ref, is calling every ball that's out "in" good shortsmanship? even the coaches on the bench were getting out of control about little calls. MB surf played a wrong game, winning with their mouth
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 18:40:37 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by bbk on Jan 8, 2015 19:48:33 GMT -5
What I Learned from this thread: 80% of the respondents were discussing a he said - he said. I really bet that there was some really good volleyball played.
I am sure that the HBC18 team that played up last year played very well. Another storyline could have been how Pac Rim has started to assert their claim as a top club and the top club out of NCVA. Maybe just maybe how Sports Performance has place their better players on 18s and making their club about the play not the age unlike LIVBC who has seniors playing their age and not their grade.
Why not just discuss Volleyball not the TMZ version of the Invitational?
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Post by volleyball10101 on Jan 8, 2015 21:43:37 GMT -5
Speaking of LIVBC: the 17s team really suprised me. They've always been a great team, but no one expected a second place finish. My only question is who is the new middle on the team and where did he come from? Did he come from another local club? Number 26. Kids got potential. Whereever he came from, good asset to the team 27, not 26.
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Post by tylerdurden on Jan 8, 2015 21:51:57 GMT -5
Speaking of LIVBC: the 17s team really suprised me. They've always been a great team, but no one expected a second place finish. My only question is who is the new middle on the team and where did he come from? Did he come from another local club? Number 26. Kids got potential. Whereever he came from, good asset to the team he did not play club last year, as he wanted to focus on basketball, which was his main sport, but with some convincing by his school team mates he has switched to volleyball full time, and has really helped solidify that team.
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Post by lgb00 on Jan 8, 2015 23:54:06 GMT -5
I don't think the area where the teams come from matters too much. it was a big tournament with lots of teams trying to earn a bid which will result in some trash talking which is ok. people should chill a little cause this just happens in normal sports I agree, it's a very normal part of the game and is in most sports. The midwest and east coast teams come to California because the competition is the best you can find in one place. I don't think they steal bids, I think that they earn them. And HPSTL 18 Royal, Coastal 18 Navy, and SPVB 18 Mizuno earned their bids beating some very good teams. That said, for the non California teams, I think that sometimes there is an aura about playing the teams from CA. We played Balboa Bay and lost to them in the first set. I think we may have been playing timid because of their reputation. Then I think we realized that we could beat them and did, the 3rd set was 15-6.
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