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Post by Mumsie on Oct 5, 2004 19:06:15 GMT -5
Anyway, protest away... if you get back in then just tone it down a bit... Your never gonna be a good sports psychologist if you've been banned from sporting events. Good advise. Listen to GauchoDon. Sports psychologist? Too funny. I think I know you, GauchoYoungin. Last year, you and your gang made some derogatory comments about two players on our team regarding their body stature/build. Our girls chose to ignore you, but I thought it was wrong and took away MY ENJOYMENT of the match, because I do not think personal comments are fair/right/good sportsmanship or necessary for any reason. So, knock that kind of stuff off! I don't think it's right for you to spoil the match for other spectators as well as the opponents! And grow up. IdahoBoy did (I think).
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 5, 2004 19:10:09 GMT -5
And grow up. IdahoBoy did (I think). Well... I wouldn't go THAT far... I still have the itch to heckle... it's a fine art.
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Post by GauchoYoungin on Oct 5, 2004 19:33:34 GMT -5
I appreciate all comments. I understand that people are going to say that I am stupid for doing stuff and I should be kicked out. I of course wasn't completely clear in my last post because it would be very long if I was. Some might know me because I sit with some other hecklers that do make the rude comments, but I don't make them. I do single out girls and try and get them to mess up by saying things like " watch out for the net "name" " or things of that nature. I mainly just repeat the name of someone consistently b/c it actually works better then anything else. Our Associate A.D. has banned me because he says he has constantly warned me which is not true. He said Saturday was the last straw. I already mentioned what I said saturday. Since we were not allowed to use first names anymore myself and the 15 other hecklers who were worse then me would call them "Ms. ...". One last name was Moores, so we called her Ms. Moores. I realized it sounded like I was saying smores so when she went to serve I yelled out "Smores have graham crackers!" That is when I was kicked out. But why only me? There were other guys saying things a lot worse. I guess being 6'8 doesn't help and that is something I am arguing. I might not have been the one that said the comment he heard. Or maybe it is just that he doesn't like smores, I don't know. Oh and no I didn't play sports here, only in high school. But hey I like the attempted bashing. What doesn't kill me makes me stronger. I guess you really need to know me personally and know the story in order to understand what's going on and how I feel. But I do hope that things change and I can get that appeal. Glad the post is doing so well. And good luck to everyone this season. There are no losers in volleyball, only winners. (Is that a good start?)
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 5, 2004 20:28:38 GMT -5
I appreciate all comments. I understand that people are going to say that I am stupid for doing stuff and I should be kicked out. I of course wasn't completely clear in my last post because it would be very long if I was. Some might know me because I sit with some other hecklers that do make the rude comments, but I don't make them. I do single out girls and try and get them to mess up by saying things like " watch out for the net "name" " or things of that nature. I mainly just repeat the name of someone consistently b/c it actually works better then anything else. Our Associate A.D. has banned me because he says he has constantly warned me which is not true. He said Saturday was the last straw. I already mentioned what I said saturday. Since we were not allowed to use first names anymore myself and the 15 other hecklers who were worse then me would call them "Ms. ...". One last name was Moores, so we called her Ms. Moores. I realized it sounded like I was saying smores so when she went to serve I yelled out "Smores have graham crackers!" That is when I was kicked out. But why only me? There were other guys saying things a lot worse. I guess being 6'8 doesn't help and that is something I am arguing. I might not have been the one that said the comment he heard. Or maybe it is just that he doesn't like smores, I don't know. Oh and no I didn't play sports here, only in high school. But hey I like the attempted bashing. What doesn't kill me makes me stronger. I guess you really need to know me personally and know the story in order to understand what's going on and how I feel. But I do hope that things change and I can get that appeal. Glad the post is doing so well. And good luck to everyone this season. There are no losers in volleyball, only winners. (Is that a good start?) Guilty by association? That's the only thing going against you here, it appears. I think what would be HILARIOUS is if you went in as an OPPONENT'S cheerer. Call the coach and tell them you'll heckle UCSB (the same way you have been doing the others, first names, etc.) and see if they'll allow you to cheer for them. Another thing, would be to only yell encouraging remarks throughout! During a 30-15 routing by SB of some mediocre Big West team, fan interaction sometimes is the only saving grace at these types of matches. If the AD's realized that, which they will, then they will appreciate the entertainment value you could bring.
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Post by Vball818 on Oct 5, 2004 20:41:14 GMT -5
You know, maybe if you spent more time rooting FOR the Gauchos when you were inside, instead of "rooting" against the other team, you wouldn't have been kicked out... I don't know if they were right to kick you out for the season, but from what you wrote, you certainly sound like an annoying jerk to me. Too bad you were booted out of Saturday's match GauchoYoungin...it was the he(ref's) decision to do what he wanted to do before things got of control - not there was chance it was going to happen. In another post my friends went to the match and when I read the posts in this thread it started to sound familiar to me because of what my friend's told me. I will agree that some heckling gets out of hand and that the players have to be tough and just play the game. On the other hand when it becomes to obnoxious then it has to stop. CSUN(I'm sure GauchoYoungin will forever despise this school now) doesn't have any hecklers because the event staff immediately puts a stop to it. The fan reaction is like a monestary and nowhere near the excited like the matches at the Pyramid or in Stan Sheriff Center. As for me I don't heckle the team but cheer CSUN on and the CSUN team hears me...how can they not when no one shows up. In fact some of the opposing players, parents of the coaches and players(they too can hear me all the way across the other side of the "BIG" gym) have come up to me and told me what a great CSUN fan I am - maybe it's because I'm not arrogant or saying something moronic. Back to heckling...if you're gonna get carried away with your heckling sooner or later it's gonna get to you and you'll end up looking inane.
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Post by WSUsuperfan on Oct 6, 2004 0:00:11 GMT -5
So folks, being one that has been all in the range from a fairly bad heckler to a very supportive fan (for both teams), I'd be interested in hearing how you would break out certain comments/heckling actions and rate them. To get started, what do you think about these actions? "YOU stink!" during the serve. (Or whatever very loud from the stands just as the server is contacting the ball?) "Hey hot stuff, wanna date with a real man?" during a quiet time when you're close to the opponent. Overly cheering and being oversupportive for a particular player anytime they get the ball (opponent). Being distracting but not directed towards the player in any way, example WSU fans doing the monkey dance during the opponent's serve. Being distracting and doing fun group activities, like the wave, or the Bowzo's rowing their canoes during timeouts. Noise making, such as barnyard animals, etc. as a distraction technique. Yelling "I got it" very loud as a player is about to make a confused free ball play. IB as always I appreciate you making mention of my colleagues and I. I suppose everyone has different levels of tolerance for this kind of behavior. The Superfans have a several unwitten (soon to be written) laws of conduct. These are what we believe are appropriate... 1. There is no limit for how loudly you may cheer for your own team. 2. If choosing to distract the other team, it must be dished out evenly. No player shall be singled out. 3. No attacking of players/coaches/referees. Our efforts are focused on actions, not people. We also have a "no booing" resolution among our members. We feel that booing helps no one and hurts the game atmosphere so we are trying to eliminate it from the Bohler Gym environment. I have never seen/been to a Nebraska game, but I am enamored with their fans and the environment at the NU Coliseum (from what I have heard). I hope to one day make a pilgrimmage there to experience it for myself! However I know that Pullman is not Lincoln and we are striving for our own identity as a fan-base. I think we're a little more unruly than the NU crowd, but still in a very cordial way.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 6, 2004 0:12:16 GMT -5
Hecklers are lame and apparently don't have much confidence in their own team if they feel the need to resort to trying to influence the other team rather than cheering for their own team.
I do find it humorous when the hecklers taunts end up backfiring by getting opponents to play harder and better.
I was at a Gopher vs. Illini match in Illinoise several years ago when the Ilini band was heckling some of the Gopher servers. One of the Gopher servers that was being heckled the most at first ended up having her season / career high number of aces that match.
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Post by tigfan on Oct 6, 2004 0:18:30 GMT -5
Hecklers are lame and apparently don't have much confidence in their own team if they feel the need to resort to trying to influence the other team rather than cheering for their own team. I do find it humorous when the hecklers taunts end up backfiring by getting opponents to play harder and better. I was at a Gopher vs. Illini match in Illinoise several years ago when the Ilini band was heckling some of the Gopher servers. One of the Gopher servers that was being heckled the most at first ended up having her season / career high number of aces that match. Hecklers AREN'T lame for the simple fact that you just stated. A heckler can single handedly raise the intensity level within the gym (usually not for the team the heckler intends). The simple fact remains that the best way to shut up a heckler is to play well. If you give him no bullets, he can't shoot you. A match in which the fans are heckling and involved is MUCH more exciting than a match where 1,000 fifty year old boosters sit on their keister and clap every time someone hits the floor. .. just because they think every dive is the greatest play ever. GREAT players will either tune it out, or use it to their advantage. I used to love when people used to heckle me... what a rush! greatest heckle i've heard in awhile... "#13, let me guess, you have a great personality..." LOL, i laughed for 5 minutes on that one, cause the chick was beat.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 6, 2004 1:01:16 GMT -5
I've had it backfire one time when our heckling fired-up the other team so much they ended up beating our own team. Well.... make that two. Once at home and once on the road.
However, as much as it hurts to think it, tigfan does have a great point. Heckling/cheering DOES raise the intensity of the atmosphere in a gym, ESPECIALLY when it's done right.
It is entertaining to watch people cheer for their teams. It is entertaining for teams to respond to that cheering, which then promotes further cheering by their response.
I've been to quite a few gyms when the momentum of a few good heckles/cheers turns into a frenzy that swings the entire momentum of the match: most recently, 2002 #1 Stanford @ Washington State.
I'm sure on the upcoming midnight madness nights that the shear volume of sound from the people will turn into home-court victories. I know that is the case in many basketball venues and football venues when a greaat deal of the focus is on the home-court advantage. Example: Packer Fans, Browns Fans, Steelers Fans, Celtics Fans, Laker Fans, Duke fans, Kansas fans, Florida State football fans, Washington State volleyball fans actually deserve to be lumped here too. ETc. etc. etc. Being a super fan of a particular team is something a lot of people are proud of!
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Oct 6, 2004 1:01:43 GMT -5
GREAT players will either tune it out, or use it to their advantage. I used to love when people used to heckle me... what a rush! I didn't know hecklers went to H.S. JV matches.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 6, 2004 1:16:06 GMT -5
1. As soon as they charge admission it is entertainment (while still sport, you could go watch the "sport" of volleyball anywhere) you are basically asking people to become attached to the team to the point that they are willing to pay to see them play. Some people will express this in different ways. When purchasing a ticket and attending matches you are to be held accountable for your actions while in attendance. On the back of the Gopher volleyball tickets: "This ticket is a revocable license to attend the athletic event. If the holder's conduct endangers or disrupts the players, coaches, officials, or other patrons, the University reserves the right to remove the ticket holder from the premises. No refund will be made." Similar wording has been on the back of pretty much every ticket I've purchased to any sporting event or concert. You might want to check your own university's regulations that you might be able to find on their web site or other documentation. If you are a student, professor, coach, or in any way connected with the university you probably received information in some sort of packet when you became affiliated with the university. I found this (or similar verbiage) at multiple university web sites by doing some simply Google searches: "The University will not tolerate any of the following behaviors: Physically abusing an official, athlete, opponent or spectator. Throwing objects at an individual, spectators or across a field or arena. Seizing equipment or cameras from officials or the news media. Inciting players or spectators to violent action or any behavior that insults or defiles an opponent’s traditions. Encouraging our fans to boo an opposing team when introductions are made. Using obscene or inappropriate language or gestures to officials, opponents, team members or spectators. Making public statements which are negative, controversial or not in compliance with the Division’s policy on media relations. Violating generally recognized intercollegiate athletic standards or the values and standards associated with the university as determined by your head coach and approved by the Director of Athletics. " As they say for driving and getting tickets: "Ignorance of the law is know excuse." Or as the saying on the old "Baretta" TV series goes: "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time." Just because your university doesn't always enforce their own rules doesn't mean that they can't or sometimes won't. It's like speeding while driving every time you get into your car. You may not get caught or pulled over the vast majority of the time, however, I doubt you're going to get much sympathy from the police officer if / when they DO pull you over and write you a ticket.
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Post by wetokole on Oct 6, 2004 1:22:15 GMT -5
Nothing beats the the paddlers in the Manoa Maniacs section for fan cheering. We've had a lot of opposing team players smile and laugh with us as we paddle.
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Post by bucky415 on Oct 6, 2004 2:00:38 GMT -5
I haven't really thought much about heckling in volleyball matches, because, other than probably the band, no one really does it at Wisconsin from what I have heard. I try to avoid the opposition other than the occasional "thank you" when they make an error or the "that's not going to work" when they try to hit an attack that gets blocked pretty much every time. I am vocal in comments regarding the Badgers' play and try to be positive, although I did do a "can we teach her a tip on that," which I probably shouldn't have but I was frustrated, when Weidner hit an off set way out of bounds for the third or fourth time in a match. I think there is one thing we should all agree on, though: you NEVER taunt injured players. I liked sitting in the student section for football games at Wisconsin for the most part, although the students are crude and vulgar (but loud) rather than original. One thing I hate, though, is that they do this stupid "shoot 'em like a horse" cheer when opposing players are injured. That is mean and stupid, not at all funny. Pretty much the only time in my adult life (I think being in grad school counts there) when I was angry enough to hit someone was in a game with Michigan State where one of their players was injured and a couple of idiot students near me were doing that. They were bringing the ambulance on the field. It was scary. The guy ended up in the hospital for a week with a neck injury. I know that is an extreme case, but it is just something no one should do, ever, no matter what the situation.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 6, 2004 4:16:55 GMT -5
Overly cheering and being oversupportive for a particular player anytime they get the ball (opponent). Go Becky!
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 6, 2004 4:19:53 GMT -5
Nothing beats the the paddlers in the Manoa Maniacs section for fan cheering. We've had a lot of opposing team players smile and laugh with us as we paddle. What about Tahitian dancing? That was in Hawai'i 5-0 theme too. Paddling got old after the second stroke.
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