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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 6, 2004 9:39:50 GMT -5
GauchoYoungin --- Saw you being asked to leave and the staff member walking with you. We gave you a round of applause – Did not hear what you said to get ejected. I have a question for you: You saw a guy being escorted out, but admit to not knowing what he said to get ejected. Yet, you gave him a round of applause. How do you know that he didn't do something like threaten physical violence against a player, coach, or official? Heck, as far as you knew, he may have flashed a knife at the ref! Are you sure a round of applause was warranted? As it is right now, we don't exactly what the guy did to get ejected. All we have is his word, but even based on that it doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me. But that is irrelevent. The point is that in the absence of any information at all, like your situation at the match, positive reinforcement really seems uncalled for. I'm not saying you should have booed him, either, of course.
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Post by UCSBVball on Oct 6, 2004 10:44:20 GMT -5
The young man had been at many matches, sometimes he was really funny. The fans (older) that where sitting behind him where not shocked at his actions. The setter complained and when he was asked to leave people around him started to question it. If he had been vulgar the fans near him would been complaining. The fans sitting near him started the applause for him leaving without argument. Talking to several fans that had been sitting behind him they were surprised by the officials’ action. It is not a tennis match – it is an event to CHEER for the home team.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 6, 2004 11:30:35 GMT -5
It is not a tennis match – it is an event to CHEER for the home team. By his own words, that was not what he was doing. I am all for cheering FOR the home team. He was cheering against the opponents. There is a difference.
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Post by 7thWoman on Oct 6, 2004 12:03:59 GMT -5
I hear the setter had a bit of a chuckle when the ref asked that GauchoYoungin be removed. I don't think she was too deeply offended by his remarks if she was laughing at getting him thrown out.
I talked to the Associate AD who banned GauchoYoungin. I know him pretty well, he was my boss for 3 years at his old job. He said the head referree and the Northridge Coach both told him "throw this guy out or else." Apparently this isn't the first time GauchoYoungin has been thrown out and he received plenty of warnings before being thrown out this time. The AAD wouldn't tell me what he said that made it the last straw, but he did say that GauchoYoungin "doesn't know how to act." Sounds like it's over for you GauchoYougin, sorry dude.
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Post by 7thWoman on Oct 6, 2004 12:07:55 GMT -5
I do find it humorous when the hecklers taunts end up backfiring by getting opponents to play harder and better. It's even more of a bummer when a heckler rattles off a witty remark that makes members of his own team laugh and breaks their concentration, causing them to lose the point. I imagine shooting one's self in the foot feels similar.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 6, 2004 12:08:45 GMT -5
GauchoYoungin, only 20 years old. Your heckling career is just getting started. I suggest a transfer to either Duke or Stanford. Your talents will be appreciated there. Like the late great Rodney Dangerfield, you are not getting any respect.
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Post by SaltNPepper on Oct 6, 2004 12:17:13 GMT -5
This thread is almost too funny for words. Let me see if I've got this right.
1) You have been kicked out in the past for using obscene language.
2) At this match, play was temporarily stopped so that you could be warned for using players names and making derogitory remarks.
3) YOU decide to try to "technically" get around the warning by using a different form of the players names for your derogitory remarks which was now threathing your own team with a red card or even match default.
4) All of this is from what you've said, and we haven't even heard the Asst. AD's side of it (which I have a hunch could throw additional light on the subject).
5) And now you're asking this board to rally around you so that you can make an effective appeal of your suspension from these events?
Son, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but I think you're throwing your money away going to college. If you don't have enough common sense by now to know WHERE the problem is, I don't think you every will and a college education isn't going to help.
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Post by LuckyVB on Oct 6, 2004 12:23:20 GMT -5
Well said!!!
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Post by bigfan on Oct 6, 2004 13:08:20 GMT -5
GauhoYoungin, could you please post your AD and associate AD's names and addresses from your school so that I may write them and show them the error of their ways. Phil Knight has given millions to Oregon where he once was student who supported his teams.(Still does) The great Bill Gates has given millions to Harvard where he was great supporter of his athletic teams. Who knows what the future holds for you GauchoYoungin; A statesman, A CEO, A captain of industry; It could happen and with it will come serious financial donations to your university if only we can stop this travesty.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Oct 6, 2004 13:24:47 GMT -5
GauhoYoungin, could you please post your AD and associate AD's names and adresses from your school so that I may write them and show them the error of their ways. Phil Knight has given millions to Oregon where he once was student who supported his teams.(Still does) The great Bill Gates has given millions to Harvard where he was great supporter of his athletic teams. Who knows what the future holds for you GauchoYoungin; A statesman, A CEO, A captain of industry; It could happen and with it will come serious financial donations to your university if only we can stop this travesty. Hey Einstein, why do you need GauchodorkwadIgotbootedfromtheThunderdome's help to find that info? All you have to do is go to UCSB's website, the information is all right there. Man, you S uck at the internet.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 6, 2004 13:35:30 GMT -5
SONOFBARCELONABOB, could you please post the needed info?
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Post by JT on Oct 6, 2004 13:50:42 GMT -5
I have a question for you: You saw a guy being escorted out, but admit to not knowing what he said to get ejected. Yet, you gave him a round of applause. Well, if someone at the Pavilion disrupted the match so that play had to be suspended, and was later escorted out, I would be applauding the officials.
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Post by GauchoYoungin on Oct 6, 2004 14:12:40 GMT -5
I really am not trying to rally any troops here. I presented this thread in order to obtain knowledge of the NCAA rules. I received that knowledge, but was then asked why I started the thread. I went ahead and gave my side of the story. I know that what I say isn't the only one. I understand that a lot of people will take this as "I have one side now where is the other". If you don't think what I did was right and you don't want to support me in my actions then that is ok. If you do, then that is great. The only people that truly know what I said are those that were around me. The only other time I have been kicked out was my freshman year, 2.5 to 3 years ago. They told me no more profane statements and I have abided since then. They say they have warned me numerous times that I would be throw out, but that is not true. Our Associate AD has had events staff (never himself) come up to me. They told me what I couldn't say and I listened and followed. 7th, if you know him that is cool. I am not saying for you to hate him and I understand no matter what I say you will have that biased opinion because you know him more then me. That is understandable. I just feel that the ban was a little harsh and the arguments for it that he presents are very weak. He says other teams coaches, parents, and referees have written letters to him regarding me personally. I have yet to see those letters. Being kicked out of one game is fine (as someone said I went out with no argument), a temporary ban wouldn't have been as bad, but to be banned completely from a sport I love to watch and participate in is extreme. He uses the second ejection as my "last chance" but what I said was not against any rules set before me, NCAA or school. So if you want to support me I appreciate that and if you want to keep pointing out the error of my ways that's fine too. Just imagine if you were banned for a reason that you didn't agree with and how would you feel? I tell you one thing, it was hard watching that LMU game from outside the T'dome. But hey, the season isn't over yet for anyone. So as always, GO GAUCHOS!!!
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 6, 2004 14:17:21 GMT -5
There are also other underlying issues at hand here: Quality of officials and Youth's misguided appreciation.
Quality of officials. I think that west coast officials, generally, are not respected at all. Whereas, from what I understand and people on this thread seem to support, that the midwest officials actually are more respected.
OK, maybe it doesn't have a LOT to do with the initial case here, but I think generally, it's a legitimate statement.
The last few years, my attention has been drawn to critiquing bad calls by officials (on both sides of the net) more than cheering for or heckling players. Lately, I've done it quietly, but ugh! I don't have the perifeal vision to officiate, but at least I know it!!
Another thing I've noticed in this argument is that all of the old fuddy-duddies are on the side of the old administrators and old officials, but the rest of us young wippersnappers are on the side of the 'youngin.... gender gap here? I would bet that you guys would do similar things when you were younger. Although, the use of cursing and general specific insults is probably in bad taste, this young lad is demonstrating his appreciation of the sport and his school in the only way he knows how.
The Administration could take this opportunity to show they are willing to work with the students and give them a leader to return and "direct" these young kids.
I know that if I hadn't stepped in and become a leader at the UI matches for many years, we would have been kicked out for ludeness etc. as well.
C'mon old fuddy duddies, is alzheimers set in too far or do you really forget the passion and lack of knowledge you displayed as youth?
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 6, 2004 14:43:40 GMT -5
Another thing I've noticed in this argument is that all of the old fuddy-duddies are on the side of the old administrators and old officials, but the rest of us young wippersnappers are on the side of the 'youngin.... gender gap here? I would bet that you guys would do similar things when you were younger. I have never been kicked out of any sporting event, much less on multiple occasions. I almost got my arse kicked at a Cubs game, but that was because I was yelling at some moron who was mouthing off at the female usher who was trying to remove him (He says, "My ex-wife used to talk to me that way" and I say, "Yeah? And _she_ threw you out, too!") Sad, isn't it? Personally, I disagree. I don't see any sign that he appreciates the sport at all. If that were the case, he might treat the officials and players with respect, even those on the other team. He seems to be very high on himself, though. When we were young, we would cheer a Bobbi Becker spike, or do things like make up words of the pep band songs (usually to include things about meals in the dining center; heck, one night we just brought the menu and started singing the names of the entrees as the band played). Never got around feeling a desire to insult the players on the other team, though...
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