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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 6, 2004 21:43:27 GMT -5
Some might call it a sign of maturing. Many people do some silly or dumb things when they're young. Some of of those people (eventually) come to realize that they were indeed doing dumb or silly things. But these same people are unwilling to allow others to make silly mistakes? Sounds pretty bad to me.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Oct 6, 2004 21:49:54 GMT -5
Some might call it a sign of maturing. Many people do some silly or dumb things when they're young. Some of of those people (eventually) come to realize that they were indeed doing dumb or silly things. Actually, I think most heckling arises from two predominant factors: -Pack mentality of immature college students -Need for attention by these individuals (the "look at me" syndrome) Add alcohol and God-knows what other controlled substances to the mix, and you have a volatile situation for sure. Interesting characteristic of UCSB hecklers during men's season. They would show up late, heckle for a bit, and then leave early if the team was getting blown out. The theory that some of us who attended men's matches on a regular basis for many years came up with is that these hecklers were using the match as a time-killer before party central proper started up in IV.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 6, 2004 21:51:35 GMT -5
But these same people are unwilling to allow others to make silly mistakes? Sounds pretty bad to me. Who's not allowing anyone to make mistakes? I don't know GouchoYoungin's history but from the sound of it (from his own comments) he's been given multiple opportunities to make mistakes and he keeps coming back making the same mistakes and trying to be "clever" by thinking he can hedge the rules slightly to do more of the same. I don't think that I've agree that banning him indefinitely from matches is right, but I don't see a problem with not allowing him to attend some set number of matches and perhaps be on "probation" for an extended set of matches where I'd have him "police" the fans and ask the rude ones (whose behavior he ought to clearly be able to recognize) to behave more appropriately.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 6, 2004 21:53:25 GMT -5
Actually, I think most heckling arises from two predominant factors: -Pack mentality of immature college students -Need for attention by these individuals (the "look at me" syndrome) Add alcohol and God-knows what other controlled substances to the mix, and you have a volatile situation for sure. Interesting characteristic of UCSB hecklers during men's season. They would show up late, heckle for a bit, and then leave early if the team was getting blown out. The theory that some of us who attended men's matches on a regular basis for many years came up with is that these hecklers were using the match as a time-killer before party central proper started up in IV. I agree for the most part, however, that type of behavior certainly isn't restricted to college students.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 6, 2004 21:55:41 GMT -5
I don't think that I've agree that banning him indefinitely from matches is right, but I don't see a problem with not allowing him to attend some set number of matches and perhaps be on "probation" for an extended set of matches where I'd have him "police" the fans and ask the rude ones (whose behavior he ought to clearly be able to recognize) to behave more appropriately. . I agree with this. Now, what do you think about FORUM posters being at the same level as hecklers? Obviously, there are good posters (SaltNPepper, RichKern, SCL come to mind) and good hecklers (SoBB, Volleyball101, kauaiboy of old come to mind). What's the big difference?
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Post by Gorf on Oct 6, 2004 22:09:48 GMT -5
. I agree with this. Now, what do you think about FORUM posters being at the same level as hecklers? Obviously, there are good posters (SaltNPepper, RichKern, SCL come to mind) and good hecklers (SoBB, Volleyball101, kauaiboy of old come to mind). What's the big difference? I didn't mind how Roger handled heckling situations that he was unsure of the nature of the heckles. He'd ask people in IM's if there was an issue that needed to be dealt with by him. Some heckling is more friendly ribbing. Some of the things that (R)uffda! and I say to each other in here come from knowing each other for close to 20 years now. Some of the things that BiK and I say to each other as also friendly ribbing. It perhaps may have started out with a bit more tension, however, we've IM'd each other to make sure we weren't going overboard or getting too personal with each other. Perhaps the administrator and his crew need to come up with some sort of policy or start a thread asking for the members of the board how they would like "poor behavior" (however it ends up being defined) dealt with by the adminitrator / moderators.
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Post by clue on Oct 7, 2004 8:45:26 GMT -5
Here are my questions:
Are there specific schools that have set policies against calling out the names of players/coaches ? If so, which schools ? Any conferences with such policies ?
Referees are permitted to enforce conduct concerning racial,sexual,or profanity from the crowd...but in addition to theses cases, there can be quite a few other ways players can be ( inapropriately) verbally harassed. Any policues at certain schools or leagues that go beyond "the big 3 " and restrict other types of comments?
What about the issue of fans sitting close to the non-playing substitutes, and verbally abusing players who don't even enter the match ? Any schools or conferences have policies to regulate this behavior?
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Post by BearClause on Oct 7, 2004 10:54:56 GMT -5
Here are my questions: Are there specific schools that have set policies against calling out the names of players/coaches ? If so, which schools ? Any conferences with such policies ? Here's the Pacific-10 Conference Mission Statement: Pac-10 Conference Mission Statement
The mission of the Pacific-10 Conference shall be:
1. To maintain a position of national leadership in the conduct of intercollegiate athletics in a manner consistent with the Conference's values. 2. To value adherence to the highest standards of higher education, academic achievement, ethical conduct, sportsmanship, and a continuing commitment to gender equity and ethnic diversity. 3. To sustain the Conference¹s unparalleled record of athletics excellence. 4. To emphasize the welfare of the student-athlete throughout the enterprise and provide opportunity and encouragement for each participant in a Pac-10 program to acquire a baccalaureate degree and the skills necessary to function as a productive member of society. 5. To assure each member institution's commitment to the Conference¹s values, and, in so doing, to foster collegial relationships among members and to manage the tensions that frequently surface in a competitive environment. 6. To frequently reassess the scope and quality of the Conference¹s programs and policies and progressively evaluate new technologies and opportunities to enhance programs.If one reads the NCAA rulebook, it also states that "other unsporting conduct should not be tolerated". There's a lot of leeway for interpretation. I'll post the section on event management's responsibility for crowd control: P 91. Event Management
4. Conduct of Ancillary Participants and Spectators. The responsibility for crowd control rests with the host administrator. The athletics director or designated representative is expected to require all spectators and fans to be good sports. Spectators must remain clear of the playing area one hour before the match and at all times during the match. Event management must ensure that rudeness, vulgar language, remarks regarding race or gender, physical intimidation and other unsporting conduct from spectators are not tolerated, and should immediately address such actions. Requiring appropriate conduct from coaches, players, and spectators benefits everyone in the sport.I don't know about individual policies, but there is a lot of room in the rulebook for interpretation. Some schools will take requests from the opposing head coach. Many coaches go ape if their players' names are being used in taunts. Granted, some of the most annoying hecklers didn't say anything rude, per se, but simply chanted the opposing server's name (two syllable names especially) repeatedly in an annoying manner.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 7, 2004 12:02:20 GMT -5
GauchoYoungin I think it would be a good idea to apologize to the powers that be at Santa Barbara. I'm sure some sort of mercy will be shown. You are not the first or last college student to get overzealous at sporting events.
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Post by GauchoDon on Oct 7, 2004 13:22:27 GMT -5
GauchoYoungin I think it would be a good idea to apologize to the powers that be at Santa Barbara. I'm sure some sort of mercy will be shown. You are not the first or last college student to get overzealous at sporting events. I second that suggestion... If you really want back in kiss some a__ and maybe you can be pardoned... either that or cover your mouth in orange tape and see if they'll let you in... we all know that is athletics solution to most problems these days.
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Oct 7, 2004 14:36:03 GMT -5
Oh Don, that would be too funny. Young'in showing up at a match with his mouth covered in orange tape. However, that would surly be the end of his time as an onsite fan. OTOH, if the AD presists in the ban, it would be a perfect "last great act of defiance." ;D
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Post by GauchoDon on Oct 7, 2004 15:05:43 GMT -5
Oh Don, that would be too funny. Young'in showing up at a match with his mouth covered in orange tape. However, that would surly be the end of his time as an onsite fan. OTOH, if the AD presists in the ban, it would be a perfect "last great act of defiance." ;D Yeah, but you know if you're already banned and trying to make nice doesn't work... why not try and make a good (+legal) statement on your way out. (unless of course, a season ban might become a lifetime ban?). I mean you could probably tape your mouth shut and get in or use some very well known orange tape and get an extension on the suspension, which would you do?
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Post by clue on Oct 9, 2004 8:29:29 GMT -5
The reply regarding the PAC Ten and NCAA policies are informative. I have heard of certain schools or certain conferences who have additional policies specifically regarding calling out names of players, directing comments specifically at certain players/coaches, etc. Are there teams or conferences that have rules which supplement the NCAA and general policy , and are more restrictive towards this type of fan behavior ?
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