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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Apr 24, 2017 15:32:31 GMT -5
I think another thing that works for the NVL favor: right now, they are seen as a beach volleyball league that has done something new (at least new in recent history). The World Series is huge and prestigious, and now the NVL gets to be associated with it going forward. Meanwhile, contract disputes aside, the AVP is seen as a league that really isn't changing/growing all that much. Granted, the AVP still has name recognition over the NVL. But suddenly we're looking down a future were the AVP dominance isn't really assured anymore.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 24, 2017 15:42:16 GMT -5
How is the NVL even right now? Well, I think the NVL is even (or more accurately, now a close second) now because of simply Public Image. The NVL has told all players they are welcome to play, and no mention of exclusive clauses. Also, the fact that the NVL is launching at the World Series of Beach Volleyball is pretty big. That alone must be stinging for the AVP, since they were adamant that they were the "only" pro league in the US. Really hard to make that claim now. I'm not sure if there has been any confirmation, but it stands to reason Kerri will play on the NVL circuit this season. Its just a guess, but I can't picture her just solely doing FIVB events for the entire year. If she is doing a domestic circuit with the NVL, this provides the league with even more opportunities. NBC coverage of beach volleyball is, well, sporadic at best, and generally much (if not most) of the focus is on Kerri. If NBC decided to televise some NVL events, that's gonna sting the AVP big time. JB said it: the biggest story is that the AVP has lost its leverage. Suddenly, players might take a step back and seriously consider playing on the NVL. If your one of the top teams on the AVP, stands to reason you could become one of the top teams on the NVL, and not have to deal with all of the AVP's restrictions. I understand the reasoning behind having your players sigh exclusive contracts, but that fact is the AVP really limited themselves. On the pro level, beach volleyball isn't really growing: its kinda at the same level. Don't really see any post Olympic boom. Alot of people who watched during the Rio Games have moved on. If your the AVP, of course you want your league to thrive. Yet the sport itself needs to thrive first before that can happen. And for that to happen, may need to swallow some pride and loosen up a bit. I dont think the AVP has lost its leverage. The WSOBV is one event and in the past has had international teams. Lets say NVL money doubles (not including the WSOBV) Say Doherty/Hyden defect, win every NVL, then finish 7th in the WSOBV. Maybe the make what they would have on the AVP. That is some leverage but the biggest threat Donald has isnt exclusivity, its "F all you spoiled babies, Im not losing any more of my money on you." I would guess if the AVP folds, doubtful sure, Leonard is going to be a whole lot more mercenary than Donald Sun has been. Whether that means a single gender tour, only paying to 5th, or otherwise pushing the players around I think Leonard will be a whole lot less inclined to tolerate BS from a bunch of charity cases (basically all but six current players) If you are Brittany Hochevar or Trevor Crabb, in short a solid player with no economic value, who do you want deciding on what you get paid? Armato, who has already demonstrated he will take his ball and go home if the players dont fall in line, or Donald Sun?
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Post by stevek on Apr 24, 2017 17:02:16 GMT -5
To me, the key to all of this is sponsorship. That's the key to more prize money, more stops and a better tour. Donald Sun has been at this for a few years now and he hasn't make a lot of progress on the sponsor front. Meanwhile, Leonard did it before in the mid-2000's and has an impressive list for WSOBV. If he can make that translate to the NVL in 2018, then the tide could turn quickly.
As someone else said, you have to hand it to Al-B. He's continued to push without the same amount of resources as others, and has built a strong organization. Maybe his 7 years of hard work is really going to pay off.
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Post by wilsonthevolleyball2 on Apr 24, 2017 17:26:47 GMT -5
I dont think the AVP has lost its leverage. The WSOBV is one event and in the past has had international teams. Lets say NVL money doubles (not including the WSOBV) Say Doherty/Hyden defect, win every NVL, then finish 7th in the WSOBV. Maybe the make what they would have on the AVP. That is some leverage but the biggest threat Donald has isnt exclusivity, its "F all you spoiled babies, Im not losing any more of my money on you." I would guess if the AVP folds, doubtful sure, Leonard is going to be a whole lot more mercenary than Donald Sun has been. guest2: very good points. Didn't really think of it from that perspective. In a perfect world, a merger between the two leagues might be the gigantic jolt beach volleyball here in the U.S. needs. But yeah....that will be the day. In the meantime, nothing to do but wait and see. See how the AVP responds to the lawsuit/player contracts/NVL news, etc. Also, lets see just what the NVL does next: how much of an impact will the World Series bring? Do they have anything else in play? Will other players follow Kerri and boycott/skip AVP events? These are all really big factors in play, and its really too early to tell how it all goes down. In the long run though, having a re-energized(?) NVL may be a good thing: forces both leagues to try and up their game to prove who is the premier league (still is, in my opinion, AVP right now. Talking about the future). May give more options to players, and hopefully better economic opportunities. Just have to see.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 19:05:29 GMT -5
A few big names that have signed the contract... Casey Patterson & Bruner....Nick Lucena....April Ross A few big names that have yet to sign the contract.....Phil Dalhausser, Brooke Sweat, Summer Ross, Brittany Hochavear A couple of names that will not sign the Exclusive AVP contract...Casey Jennings & Kerri Walsh Jennings April Ross is very very quiet on Social Media...She is usually lighting in up! I find her quietness to be very interesting. Although, the AVP just made a mobile game just for her. I am sure she will remain loyal to the AVP. She isn't owed150k either. This Thursday is the day. All entries need to be in.
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Post by mongoliavolleyball on Apr 24, 2017 19:13:58 GMT -5
AVP should just settle with Kerri... She did so much for sport of Beach Volleyball... I am not a die hard fan of hers but come on all this fight ain't going to bring anything good for the future...
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Post by greenpier on Apr 24, 2017 19:28:05 GMT -5
AVP should just settle with Kerri... She did so much for sport of Beach Volleyball... I am not a die hard fan of hers but come on all this fight ain't going to bring anything good for the future... AVP should pay her what they owe and bar her from playing on the AVP ever again.
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Post by greenpier on Apr 24, 2017 19:30:02 GMT -5
A few big names that have signed the contract.. Which contract AVP, FIVA, NVL?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 19:38:10 GMT -5
The AVP contract Greenpier.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 19:41:01 GMT -5
Another noticable thing is no Kerri or April signed up for FIVB in RIo...Very interesting. It's a 4 ⭐️🤔🤔🤔🤔
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Post by volleyballjim on Apr 24, 2017 19:42:20 GMT -5
So the WSOBV went from a Tuesday thru Sunday (Grand Slam) to a Thursday on and "I heard" 3 star, though I read there are no 3 stars. Sounds like a chiseled down tourney, and I'm opting for SF, skip WSOVB and then Manhattan this year (Made every other WSOVB since '13). But with our tour "evidently" in flux, I guess I'll book after I talk with the hard core fans at Huntington to get the real scoop.
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Post by greenpier on Apr 24, 2017 20:00:35 GMT -5
The AVP contract Greenpier. It will be a terrible thing if Kerri never plays the Manhattan beach open ever again due to this tussle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:00:45 GMT -5
Volleyball Jim....Are there enough hardcore fans to keep the AVP going in your opinion without the likes of Kerri, possibly Phil, And maybe a few other decent names? Or does a possible KWJ alliance bring some AVP fans towards the NVL...Although, I am one that would like to see both tours work together for the good of the sport in the USA, it doesn't sound like that is possible. At least at the moment. I think another question becomes how much money does Leonard want to throw the NVLs way to stick it to Sun, esp. if they can land Kerri & a few other AVP players? I really do think that a this stage in Kerris career she wants to pick & choose tournaments. It's quite obvious that the all time wins leader record is not on her radar if she has no AVP plans. April & Kerri had a legit shot to sweep the AVP this year and put Kerri into 2nd place all time by herself and now that won't happen. Will be an interesting 2017 BVB season for sure.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 24, 2017 20:05:59 GMT -5
AVP should just settle with Kerri... She did so much for sport of Beach Volleyball... I am not a die hard fan of hers but come on all this fight ain't going to bring anything good for the future... Havent heard what the AVP has said in legal docs yet, but there are only three options: 1) AVP thinks they dont owe Kerri - some version of she breached first. 2) AVP owes but cant afford to pay 3) AVP owes but thinks it can get away with not paying. This is the most interesting to me. I dont get the sense Kerri is particularly well liked or influential among the players (maybe she is thats just my perception from far away) I don't know enough about CA state law to say, but maybe the AVP thinks they can force Kerri to take less. Also interesting to me is what does this "merger" mean for the NVL? Is Armato taking over? Is it a branding exercise? Are Al B and all the players basically being replaced?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:07:39 GMT -5
Greenpier...The AVP should let the players PLAY.....Problem solved....Sun refuses to let that happen...Kerri is standing up for what she believes is right for the sport. Sun will stick to his guns and run the AVP the way he wants until he picks up his balls and goes home saying he is losing too much 💰. The writing is on the wall....
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