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Post by mongoliavolleyball on Apr 24, 2017 20:12:09 GMT -5
AVP should just settle with Kerri... She did so much for sport of Beach Volleyball... I am not a die hard fan of hers but come on all this fight ain't going to bring anything good for the future... Havent heard what the AVP has said in legal docs yet, but there are only three options: 1) AVP thinks they dont owe Kerri - some version of she breached first. 2) AVP owes but cant afford to pay 3) AVP owes but thinks it can get away with not paying. This is the most interesting to me. I dont get the sense Kerri is particularly well liked or influential among the players (maybe she is thats just my perception from far away) I don't know enough about CA state law to say, but maybe the AVP thinks they can force Kerri to take less. Also interesting to me is what does this "merger" mean for the NVL? Is Armato taking over? Is it a branding exercise? Are Al B and all the players basically being replaced? Damn if 3 is true then Damnation to AVP for doing it. Kerri should have retired the same time Misty did... I think... I could be wrong but Misty made the right decision to retire at the right time... Maybe Kerri CAN play internationally in other leagues if she wanted? I mean I don't think she wants to, possibly because her family is here in US
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:13:03 GMT -5
The WSOBB is going to be very interesting this year. Some huge names not playing from the USA including April Ross....Who knows, maybe during this whole fiasco she decided to get pregnant....ππππ
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Post by slackerdad on Apr 24, 2017 20:33:25 GMT -5
AVP should just settle with Kerri... She did so much for sport of Beach Volleyball... I am not a die hard fan of hers but come on all this fight ain't going to bring anything good for the future... Havent heard what the AVP has said in legal docs yet, but there are only three options: 1) AVP thinks they dont owe Kerri - some version of she breached first. 2) AVP owes but cant afford to pay 3) AVP owes but thinks it can get away with not paying. This is the most interesting to me. I dont get the sense Kerri is particularly well liked or influential among the players (maybe she is thats just my perception from far away) I don't know enough about CA state law to say, but maybe the AVP thinks they can force Kerri to take less. Also interesting to me is what does this "merger" mean for the NVL? Is Armato taking over? Is it a branding exercise? Are Al B and all the players basically being replaced? I think the AVP has the resources. If their ownership structure hasn't changed and Sun still owns 100%, then $150k is pocket change to him. Contracts are just agreements and there is nothing immoral about breaching a contract. I'm sure both parties have their reasons. I think KW has been stirring the pot for a while now and her withdrawal from the Chicago AVP has a lot to do with the current dispute. Perhaps there is wording in the contract that states that, barring injury or obligation, she has to participate in all AVP event? Well, that would be enough for her to have already breached their agreement. It may be something more gray like a character clause. We just don't know. I don't think she is well-liked by the other players but I think the women's-side is generally more factioned. If it comes down to money and resources, I think Sun can outspend Armato. However, I think Sun bought the AVP more as a hobby than a business and I'm not sure he's 100% committed to making it viable. I think the first one to negotiate a long-term media deal will probably prevail.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:45:48 GMT -5
No women that kicks ass for the last 16 years like she has is gonna be that well liked by the other women...Just my opinion...They will all sure line up to play on her side of the net though! I guess we will see how many of them alight with her by skipping events. Let's all remember that most of them can't afford to. Only one woman can afford to stand up to the AVP and skip a couple of events and she won't since she already signed the AVP contract.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 24, 2017 20:49:17 GMT -5
Havent heard what the AVP has said in legal docs yet, but there are only three options: 1) AVP thinks they dont owe Kerri - some version of she breached first. 2) AVP owes but cant afford to pay 3) AVP owes but thinks it can get away with not paying. This is the most interesting to me. I dont get the sense Kerri is particularly well liked or influential among the players (maybe she is thats just my perception from far away) I don't know enough about CA state law to say, but maybe the AVP thinks they can force Kerri to take less. Also interesting to me is what does this "merger" mean for the NVL? Is Armato taking over? Is it a branding exercise? Are Al B and all the players basically being replaced? I think the AVP has the resources. If their ownership structure hasn't changed and Sun still owns 100%, then $150k is pocket change to him. Contracts are just agreements and there is nothing immoral about breaching a contract. I'm sure both parties have their reasons. I think KW has been stirring the pot for a while now and her withdrawal from the Chicago AVP has a lot to do with the current dispute. Perhaps there is wording in the contract that states that, barring injury or obligation, she has to participate in all AVP event? Well, that would be enough for her to have already breached their agreement. It may be something more gray like a character clause. We just don't know. I don't think she is well-liked by the other players but I think the women's-side is generally more factioned. If it comes down to money and resources, I think Sun can outspend Armato. However, I think Sun bought the AVP more as a hobby than a business and I'm not sure he's 100% committed to making it viable. I think the first one to negotiate a long-term media deal will probably prevail. There is no participation clause in the contract, its a very simple agreement but what you mentioned about her stirring the pot is interesting. If the AVP could prove Kerri was speaking against them publicly, with other players or sponsors, they might have a reasonable breach claim.
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Post by downtheline on Apr 24, 2017 20:52:32 GMT -5
Media deal is very important, but you must have a compelling property to sell.
It's not about Kerri anymore. Not Frendrick, Sweat, Day, etc. or any of the old guard except April.
April, Summer, Larsen, Reeves, Flint, and hopefully Lane, Urango, Spieler will have more appeal with the new ranks of college graduates quickly filling in. A younger generation to sell products and image to a new generation of fans.
Beach volleyball must advance forward as the fan base had started to stagnate due to the age of them and the players.
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Post by fredf99 on Apr 24, 2017 21:09:04 GMT -5
No women that kicks ass for the last 16 years like she has is gonna be that well liked by the other women...Just my opinion... so you are saying women are catty and jealous? but men aren't?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 21:30:00 GMT -5
Media deal is very important, but you must have a compelling property to sell. It's not about Kerri anymore. Not Frendrick, Sweat, Day, etc. or any of the old guard except April. April, Summer, Larsen, Reeves, Flint, and hopefully Lane, Urango, Spieler will have more appeal with the new ranks of college graduates quickly filling in. A younger generation to sell products and image to a new generation of fans. Beach volleyball must advance forward as the fan base had started to stagnate due to the age of them and the players. The problem is all the women you are listing is that they are not compelling enough property to sell. Don't mean to make this sound like a mean statement because not meant as one but it's true. Maybe April...but the media wasn't interested in her in Rio...They won't be interested in her in Tokyo. The focus of the USA media in Tokyo will be on the young team of Sara & Kelly. They will be USA's hopes at least for gold or just to medal. Sorry that I'm riding April off as a medal contender in Tokyo at the age of 38 post baby, but I am. Summer can't interview for beans, Lane is ready to hang it up and be a lawyer, Urango drinks a lot. Better hope for the college class coming in. The NVL will ride the Kerri train π if they think she will give the the exposure & media presence to get over the hump.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 21:31:38 GMT -5
No women that kicks ass for the last 16 years like she has is gonna be that well liked by the other women...Just my opinion... so you are saying women are catty and jealous? but men aren't? Kinda what I'm saying!! ππππ€£π€£
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Post by slackerdad on Apr 24, 2017 21:44:18 GMT -5
I think the AVP has the resources. If their ownership structure hasn't changed and Sun still owns 100%, then $150k is pocket change to him. Contracts are just agreements and there is nothing immoral about breaching a contract. I'm sure both parties have their reasons. I think KW has been stirring the pot for a while now and her withdrawal from the Chicago AVP has a lot to do with the current dispute. Perhaps there is wording in the contract that states that, barring injury or obligation, she has to participate in all AVP event? Well, that would be enough for her to have already breached their agreement. It may be something more gray like a character clause. We just don't know. I don't think she is well-liked by the other players but I think the women's-side is generally more factioned. If it comes down to money and resources, I think Sun can outspend Armato. However, I think Sun bought the AVP more as a hobby than a business and I'm not sure he's 100% committed to making it viable. I think the first one to negotiate a long-term media deal will probably prevail. There is no participation clause in the contract, its a very simple agreement but what you mentioned about her stirring the pot is interesting. If the AVP could prove Kerri was speaking against them publicly, with other players or sponsors, they might have a reasonable breach claim. How do you know this? I'd be interested in reading the contract so I could post less speculatively. Do you mean KW could have just signed the agreement, retired, and collected her $450k? I don't think the players have a problem with KW's dominance; I think it's more of a "look at me...I'm 6 feet of sunshine, a wife AND a mom. I have it all."
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Post by guest2 on Apr 24, 2017 21:52:35 GMT -5
There is no participation clause in the contract, its a very simple agreement but what you mentioned about her stirring the pot is interesting. If the AVP could prove Kerri was speaking against them publicly, with other players or sponsors, they might have a reasonable breach claim. How do you know this? I'd be interested in reading the contract so I could post less speculatively. Do you mean KW could have just signed the agreement, retired, and collected her $450k? I don't think the players have a problem with KW's dominance; I think it's more of a "look at me...I'm 6 feet of sunshine, a wife AND a mom. I have it all." The contract was attached to the complaint. I read it. Kerri gave the AVP the right to use her likeness a few other things etc. but didnt require much else except that Kerri use good faith efforts to promote the AVP. Nothing in there about playing events
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Post by volleyballjim on Apr 24, 2017 22:01:40 GMT -5
bvballer: This thread reminds me of a 8.0 earthquake with the early stories from ground zero. At the end you always wonder how any of them ever got started. FACTS . . . thats the ONLY thing missing from most of the conjecture here. But to answer your question of "would people show up for a Kerri-less tour", of course. She is a HUGE draw, but as stated, she missed many due to the more lucrative FIVB's last year. There are a LOT more games going on when you go to a tourney over than Kerri/April and they "sell well" regardless of what you read. Donald Sun always sounded very sincere and seems a genuinely nice guy. There has never been any published info on the infamous "model" a owner needs to have to keep the tour going, so we have no idea (Prize money is not the only expense, by a long shot, from what I know). It doesn't seem to grow much, but thats "US" wondering why its not "1988-style", but was that ever profitable. The tour is the many players, collectively, and they have the clout, not a single player, regardless of rank. Could Kerri pull off an NVL run with the lower tiered players that league has signed? Unlikely as you really need SOME parity and with her v. the "NVL gang", we all know that would not be attractive. Add a few low AVPers, still doubtful. Still need the GettyLee's and people in the know to throw some real info at us before we start forming teams, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 22:03:05 GMT -5
How do you know this? I'd be interested in reading the contract so I could post less speculatively. Do you mean KW could have just signed the agreement, retired, and collected her $450k? I don't think the players have a problem with KW's dominance; I think it's more of a "look at me...I'm 6 feet of sunshine, a wife AND a mom. I have it all." The contract was attached to the complaint. I read it. Kerri gave the AVP the right to use her likeness a few other things etc. but didnt require much else except that Kerri use good faith efforts to promote the AVP. Nothing in there about playing events I don't see that Kerri flaunts that 6 feet of sunshine thing, being that wife & Mom thing, although she is pretty partial to her kids. Nothing wrong with that! I'm pretty partial to all 9 of mine too...I think everyone should brag their kids up, but that's my opinion. Oh yeah...players have a problem with Kerris dominance...Ask EY & Kessy! Back to the contract...Mr. βοΈ Please pay up so that the sun βοΈ will shine again!
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Post by greenpier on Apr 24, 2017 22:08:55 GMT -5
...........April...but the media wasn't interested in her in Rio...They won't be interested in her in Tokyo. Sorry that I'm riding April off as a medal contender in Tokyo at the age of 38 post baby, but I am. Urango drinks a lot. YOU HATE Southern Cal .....................and love Stanford(Kerri)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 22:38:41 GMT -5
...........April...but the media wasn't interested in her in Rio...They won't be interested in her in Tokyo. Sorry that I'm riding April off as a medal contender in Tokyo at the age of 38 post baby, but I am. Urango drinks a lot. YOU HATE Southern Cal .....................and love Stanford(Kerri) Nope....Never said I hated So Cal!! Just stating the facts...As I see them. All good though. Not trying to make enemies....Just having a friendly disagreement...ππΊπΈππ
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