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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 18, 2019 21:44:02 GMT -5
I could see teams in pools where they have a shot but are not clear favorites to win the pool shelling out the cash. Poland won't beat Serbia in Pool A (Women's pools) but maybe they feel they could have a chance in front of a home crowd. Brazil should win theirs so in their mind why shell out the cash? China will surely host. lol for once Japan won't be hosting.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 19, 2019 8:08:59 GMT -5
I could see teams in pools where they have a shot but are not clear favorites to win the pool shelling out the cash. Poland won't beat Serbia in Pool A (Women's pools) but maybe they feel they could have a chance in front of a home crowd. Brazil should win theirs so in their mind why shell out the cash? China will surely host. lol for once Japan won't be hosting. The appeal of volleyball in Japan has been declining of late so I'm not surprised hosting location is no longer in Japan. Not so long ago, Japanese TV and other corporate sponsors felt FIVB tournaments would be sure hits rating-wise, as the Japanese have a long traditional of following their NT ever since their championship days of the 60's and 70's. That was why the were willing to splash out a lot of money to FIVB for hosting rights. But now, popularity of the game is dropping. If you looked at the stands in the arena during the World Championships, alot of it was empty except for Japan matches. With the retirement of stars like Saori Kimura and no one to really replace her and match her status, the number of people following Japanese volleyball is not what it once was. This is not help by subpar performances of the NT, since their bronze in London, the only victory of note is the Asian Championship in 2017. People may be getting tired of Japan always ending as second-fiddle to other teams. The older loyal fans of the team, those that follow them since the 60's and 70's, some of them may even no longer be around, while the younger fans aren't pleased with the defeats all the time. They may not have patience as the older generation. The only highlight of the team is the coach Kumi Nakada, an accompished NT setter in her playing days in the 80's and 90's, she was also a fiery but very competent coach at Hisamitsu Springs. To her credit, the Asian Championship victory was coached under her, but she has a tall task ahead to get the team to be competitive against the top threats like Serbia or Italy. They've played close 5 set matches against Italy and other top teams, but they never seem to be able to clinch the victory, to get the final point. Always, they stumble at the last moment. Its frustrating to watch them play all out and coming back from 2 sets down only to go down (yet) again in flames in the 5th set.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 19, 2019 10:51:11 GMT -5
Volleyball in Japan may be a bit on the decline right now, but that probably isn't the reason they aren't hosting the qualifying tournament this year. As the host nation for the Olympics, Japan automatically qualifies for the Olympics and is guaranteed the #1 seed for the tournament.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 11:55:53 GMT -5
Japan is still hosting the World Cup which will be basically just a friendly tournament this time.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 19, 2019 12:09:03 GMT -5
Japan is still hosting the World Cup which will be basically just a friendly tournament this time. Japanese television has been lining the pockets of the FIVB for a long time, and will continue to do so. $500,00 is a drop in the bucket for them.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 19, 2019 19:26:52 GMT -5
Volleyball in Japan may be a bit on the decline right now, but that probably isn't the reason they aren't hosting the qualifying tournament this year. As the host nation for the Olympics, Japan automatically qualifies for the Olympics and is guaranteed the #1 seed for the tournament. I am saying they may not be hosting more tournaments in the future too, beyond the Olympics, especially if Japan volleyball popularity continues on it's downward trajectory.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 19, 2019 19:30:26 GMT -5
Volleyball in Japan may be a bit on the decline right now, but that probably isn't the reason they aren't hosting the qualifying tournament this year. As the host nation for the Olympics, Japan automatically qualifies for the Olympics and is guaranteed the #1 seed for the tournament. I am saying they may not be hosting more tournaments in the future too, beyond the Olympics, especially if Japan volleyball popularity continues on it's downward trajectory. I understood that, but I don't think that whatever dip in popularity or success is happening right now will keep them from hosting tournaments for some time in the future.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 19, 2019 19:31:28 GMT -5
Japan is still hosting the World Cup which will be basically just a friendly tournament this time. I don't like how FIVB keeps changing the rules for Olympic Qualification. The main draw of the World Cup was always as the first opportunity to get Olympic qualification, since at least 1991. Now it is just an extra VNL.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 19, 2019 19:36:19 GMT -5
I am saying they may not be hosting more tournaments in the future too, beyond the Olympics, especially if Japan volleyball popularity continues on it's downward trajectory. I understood that, but I don't think that whatever dip in popularity or success is happening right now will keep them from hosting tournaments for some time in the future.We'll have to see. The financial figures aren't too encouraging for this World Championship. TBS (The Japanese network, not the American one) was reported to have made a loss of a billion yen on the World Championships. JVA, the Japanese Volleyball Association, made a loss of 600 million yen. So the Japanese corporate sponsors weren't exactly pleased with the results. I'm sure China would be happy to step in to take over hosting rights, the Chinese have the cash and the large market size to make it work. That might spur Japan to be take back hosting or at least compete against China for hosting, as China as always been their great regional rival, politically, economically as well as in sports. Of course, ideally, I''ll like to see it get hosted in the US, but who am I kidding. Who in the US have the deep pockets and be willing to splash their cash and win the hosting rights for a volleyball World Cup?
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 19, 2019 19:50:13 GMT -5
I understood that, but I don't think that whatever dip in popularity or success is happening right now will keep them from hosting tournaments for some time in the future.We'll have to see. The financial figures aren't too encouraging for this World Championship. TBS (The Japanese network, not the American one) was reported to have made a loss of a billion yen on the World Championships. JVA, the Japanese Volleyball Association, made a loss of 600 million yen. The FIVB will definitely award the hosting rights to the highest bidder, but the question is, who is in a better position to operate the tournament efficiently and turn a profit? Some say China or Thailand, but it seems unlikely that either of those will actually turn a higher profit (it is possible that China might be willing to absorb any losses just to host a major tournament, but that doesn't seem sustainable). I think the FIVB is trying to ramp up a competitive bidding process to increase their own take, but there simply aren't that many Federations who can or will feasibly engage in that bidding process.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 19, 2019 20:06:22 GMT -5
We'll have to see. The financial figures aren't too encouraging for this World Championship. TBS (The Japanese network, not the American one) was reported to have made a loss of a billion yen on the World Championships. JVA, the Japanese Volleyball Association, made a loss of 600 million yen. The FIVB will definitely award the hosting rights to the highest bidder, but the question is, who is in a better position to operate the tournament efficiently and turn a profit? Some say China or Thailand, but it seems unlikely that either of those will actually turn a higher profit (it is possible that China might be willing to absorb any losses just to host a major tournament, but that doesn't seem sustainable). I think the FIVB is trying to ramp up a competitive bidding process to increase their own take, but there simply aren't that many Federations who can or will feasibly engage in that bidding process. In terms of management and operations of the tournament, then of course the Japanese would be the best. They have the experience and know-how in running these kind of tournaments. But the question is not their capability, but their willingness to keep splashing out money for declining returns and/or losses. I got a distinct feel the Japanese are losing their appetite for hosting this...unless the Japanese team does well at Tokyo or beat China (which they did in London), then there may well be an uptick in volleyball interest in Japan. As for China, it might work, the market is bigger than Japan, and in any case, wrestling hosting rights away from rival Japan will always win political points for whoever is paying for it in China. But it will be a bit unfair and might raise the heckles from other national federations, since China already host the VNL finals, also hosting the World Championships might be a bit excessive.
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Post by speegs13 on Jan 30, 2019 12:09:44 GMT -5
www.cev.eu/News.aspx?NewsID=28466Hosts have been determined for five of the six pools - Poland, China, Brazil, Russia, and Italy will host their respective pools. Pool C is TBD
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 30, 2019 13:45:11 GMT -5
I wonder what the hold up is for Pool C? Also I noted the ** mentioning that the South American Volleyball Confederation (CSV) will be hosting pool D. Sounds like Brazil didn't want to front the cash.
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Post by trojansc on Jan 30, 2019 16:45:50 GMT -5
Poland squeaks into the tournament on a withdrawal and subsequently gets to host!
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Post by ToddyJ on Feb 9, 2019 14:21:44 GMT -5
Do we still not have a host for Pool C yet? Any news?
Also I am not so sure it is a good thing that the USA's pool is sort of a push over. I was hoping for a tougher pool so that Karch would take the same line up from the WCH and when they got beaten and had to qualify through continental qualification, he would be forced to re-think his line-up choices.
I think the roster is close to being golden...we just need to settle a few spots.
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