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Post by downtheline on Sept 19, 2019 0:46:46 GMT -5
Perhaps Brandie could have made it to the islands in time, but a commitment had already been solidified with another athlete.
More important is what happened to the Canadians in China? That’s not like them, but anyone discounting Tina G. Is not covering their hedge.
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Post by houdini on Sept 19, 2019 6:37:40 GMT -5
Perhaps Brandie could have made it to the islands in time, but a commitment had already been solidified with another athlete. More important is what happened to the Canadians in China? That’s not like them, but anyone discounting Tina G. Is not covering their hedge. Heather B had trouble with Tina's block.
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Post by tamz on Sept 19, 2019 20:53:39 GMT -5
POOL I: Wang/X. Y. Xia CHN Slukova/Hermannova CZE Liliana/Elsa ESP Wojtasik/Kociolek POL
POOL J: Menegatti/Orsi Toth ITA Graudina/Kravcenoka LAT Ittlinger/Laboureur GER Schützenhöfer/Plesiutschnig AUT
Round robin format.
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 20, 2019 2:15:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand how this plays out in terms of brackets.
I THINK the two qualifiers are the winners of Pools I and J.
So far today, per the youtube playback, IT defeated LAT, and GER defeated AUT, so it will be IT v. GER for the Tokyo qualifier out of pool J ESP defeated CHN, and CZE defeated POL, so it will be ESP v. CZE for the Tokyo qualifier out of pool I.
I think I got that right. BVBinfo doesn't seem to list the brackets.
However, the two losers from earlier in the day are playing each other, CHN v. POL, not sure what that is for. Maybe it is still round robin.
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Post by bvffr on Sept 20, 2019 2:23:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand how this plays out in terms of brackets. I THINK the two qualifiers are the winners of Pools I and J. So far today, per the youtube playback, IT defeated LAT, and GER defeated AUT, so it will be IT v. GER for the Tokyo qualifier out of pool J ESP defeated CHN, and CZE defeated POL, so it will be ESP v. CZE for the Tokyo qualifier out of pool I. I think I got that right. BVBinfo doesn't seem to list the brackets.
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Post by bvffr on Sept 20, 2019 2:24:16 GMT -5
They play round robin. 2 from each group qualify for semis. Winners get olympic spots. I'm not sure I understand how this plays out in terms of brackets. I THINK the two qualifiers are the winners of Pools I and J. So far today, per the youtube playback, IT defeated LAT, and GER defeated AUT, so it will be IT v. GER for the Tokyo qualifier out of pool J ESP defeated CHN, and CZE defeated POL, so it will be ESP v. CZE for the Tokyo qualifier out of pool I. I think I got that right. BVBinfo doesn't seem to list the brackets.
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 20, 2019 2:33:23 GMT -5
Ah, OK. So still round robin.
In Pool I, in a battle of the two morning winners, ESP is currently up on CZE , and in the morning losers, CHN is up on POL.
Also, the sand seems very hard packed. The rakers really aren't moving anything.
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 20, 2019 14:21:26 GMT -5
If GER (Ittlinger) wins a spot via this tournament, the two German teams ahead of them in FIVB Olympic Qualification points on 6.15.20 will expect the German Federation to honor the 21 month Qualification process over the Haiyang Tournament, would they not? And if you are the German Federation, how to you handle this?
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Post by ajm on Sept 20, 2019 14:45:25 GMT -5
If GER (Ittlinger) wins a spot via this tournament, the two German teams ahead of them in FIVB Olympic Qualification points on 6.15.20 will expect the German Federation to honor the 21 month Qualification process over the Haiyang Tournament, would they not? And if you are the German Federation, how to you handle this? I imagine Germany has already informed the teams involved how they will handle this possibility. As mentioned earlier, Sandra/Chantal earned their spot in this event by their world ranking. Why would they even go if they wouldn’t be awarded an Olympic spot with a top two finish? It sucks that the other German teams may be rooting against them, but it also wouldn’t seem fair to deny them a spot they earned for their federation.
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 21, 2019 1:03:55 GMT -5
Something doesn't add up in that GER was told by the announcer in the post game interview that they advance to tomorrow's final four because they had held Italy to 10 points or less in the 3rd set. I believed him, but then I thought about it.
The problem is, I don't think so. GER just beat ITA 2-1. So three teams finished 2-1. The final Pool results are:
Latvia 2-1, Sets are 4-2 Italy, 2-1, Sets are 5-3 GER, 2-1, Sets are 4-4
By Set Ratio tie break, Latvia wins the Pool, and it is Italy that should advance, as the second team from the pool, no? The website says the determination is by W/L, then Set Ratio, and if Set Ratio is the same, then Point Ratio. In fact once Italy won set 2, set 3 did not need to be played, because Italy already won the Set Ratio vs. Germany at that point.
**edit** Okay, I think I figured out that the FIVB did not use Sets Ratio at Worlds, and may not here either. They use it for Indoor, but apparently not Beach. To break a 3 way tie in Pool Play, they appear to use something called Rally Points differential in the games played between the 3 tied teams in Won Loss. So sets don't matter, it's total rally points won and lost in the games vs. the two other teams from a 3 way tie.
That is one weird ass tie break. Why not just use sets ratio? What is the point of Sets Ratio in the Pool standings if it isn't going to be used?
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 21, 2019 1:53:52 GMT -5
It is now official on the FIVB tournament site... GER advances, even though the Pool results shows the Won /Lost and Set Ratio I wrote in the above post. Yet in the final pool results, it shows GER in second place, Italy in 3rd, rather than vice-versa.
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Post by tamz on Sept 21, 2019 10:58:47 GMT -5
It is now official on the FIVB tournament site... GER advances, even though the Pool results shows the Won /Lost and Set Ratio I wrote in the above post. Yet in the final pool results, it shows GER in second place, Italy in 3rd, rather than vice-versa. I also thought Norway B advanced to the final yesterday after their names showed up on the finals. A few moments later, it turned it wasn’t them to advanced but the Dutch instead. Finals are set: Lili/Elsa (Spain) vs Ittlinger/Laboureur (Germany) Graudina/Kravcenoka (Latvia) vs Slukova/Hermannova (Czech Republic) It’ll be nice for Latvia to qualify two teams in this event. German teams at home are on the edge of their seats. It was never a question that the Czech team wouldn’t qualify for the Olympics through World Rankings...
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Post by bvbllr on Sept 21, 2019 14:58:24 GMT -5
I would be surprised if the German federation would prioritize this result over teams qualified via ranking. I could imagine they promised Laboreur something along - you can keep the spot if only one team qualifies via rankings - if you win the spot and 2 teams qualify via ranking you get a shot in an internal qualification match against the 2nd ranked team
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 21, 2019 21:42:38 GMT -5
The FIVB is like a very bad parent who keeps changing the rules along the way. Why this tournament exists at all is still a mystery.
The German Federation has to be a little worried. I have no doubt that Ludwig/Kozuch and Sude/Borger teams will finish the points race ahead of Ittlinger/Laboureur. so this could be a mess if, who I am calling GER3, wins an Olympic slot the Federation.
I do agree the Federation must have made some sort of arrangement with GER3, to get them to go to a non-paying tournament with a reward that would be voided.
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Post by tamz on Sept 21, 2019 21:49:04 GMT -5
The FIVB is like a very bad parent who keeps changing the rules along the way. Why this tournament exists at all is still a mystery. The German Federation has to be a little worried. I have no doubt that Ludwig's and Sudde's teams will finish the points race ahead of Ittlinger. so this could be a mess if, who I am calling GER3, wins an Olympic slot the Federation. Actually this is GER4 according to the current Olympics rankings. GER1 is Sude/Borger. GER2 is Ludwig/Kozuch. GER3 is Bieneck/Schneider. GER4 is Ittlinger/Laboureur (the only German team not to have played 12 events yet.) www.fivb.org/EN/BeachVolleyball/OGRanking_W.asp
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