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Post by vbprisoner on Sept 17, 2018 12:48:36 GMT -5
Interesting that Georgia isn't getting any votes. Seems like they will be vying for the top tier of the SEC. I had them at #24 last week after a nice win over Colorado even with the trip up the next day against Oklahoma, but they should not have lost to Georgia Tech. I do think they have top 25 talent and will eventually get there, but need to show better consistency first. |
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Post by 642fiddi on Sept 17, 2018 12:52:49 GMT -5
Question.
How do teams like Creighton, Cal Poly and Marquette move up after this week? If the big money football schools are only playing other ranked schools in conference will they be penalized for losing in conference and move down to the teens"?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 17, 2018 12:53:23 GMT -5
This is pretty similar to my ballot. I ranked KState instead of Louisville, but that's mostly just because I watched a good chunk of UK-Louisville and they looked horrid, and KState didn't have a similarly viewable match for me to lose faith in them.
The other discrepancies are that I have Florida in the lower teens(at this point, the NAU loss and lost sets to Army and Jacksonville - two REALLY bad teams - are outweighing the nice opening day win), and Marquette/Baylor were at the bottom of my rankings - Marquette really only has USC @ home, and I can't help but think BYU softening them up earlier that day played a big part, and Baylor's Wisconsin win is looking increasingly like an outlier with their struggles since that win (plus the San Diego/UCLA losses aren't as favorable).
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 17, 2018 13:02:00 GMT -5
This is pretty similar to my ballot. I ranked KState instead of Louisville, but that's mostly just because I watched a good chunk of UK-Louisville and they looked horrid, and KState didn't have a similarly viewable match for me to lose faith in them. The other discrepancies are that I have Florida in the lower teens(at this point, the NAU loss and lost sets to Army and Jacksonville - two REALLY bad teams - are outweighing the nice opening day win), and Marquette/Baylor were at the bottom of my rankings - Marquette really only has USC @ home, and I can't help but think BYU softening them up earlier that day played a big part, and Baylor's Wisconsin win is looking increasingly like an outlier with their struggles since that win (plus the San Diego/UCLA losses aren't as favorable). This pretty much sums of everything when trying to find that last team for the Top 25. Not playing is the best thing that can happen. |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Sept 17, 2018 13:05:30 GMT -5
We got a vote!
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 17, 2018 13:08:58 GMT -5
Voters aren't giving the Gophers any extra love. Cancelled match didn't help.
Hope fully they make a statement Wednesday.
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Post by vbprisoner on Sept 17, 2018 13:11:06 GMT -5
This was the same top 25 as I had. I kind of thought Louisville, Portland, and Kansas State were the real contenders for #25 - I went with Louisville since I had them rated higher to start the season and I would like to see more from the other two. So many (too many) have tried to disqualify for Top 25 consideration. I switched my #1 this week - going the opposite direction (I voted BYU #1). There are two reasons why the change: 1) Every week I reevaluate everything - as opposed to starting with the previous poll and updating with current week results. 2) I am relying more and more on results and less at future projection. At the end of the day (for me) - Stanford and BYU are easily the two best teams in the nation. BYU won the H2H - and when there is virtually nothing else to separate these two teams, that becomes more important. Even if it was a close 5 set match played in Utah. I also kept Texas at #4 - so I am not devaluing what Stanford did this week. I didn't have Louisville in. After getting smoked by Kentucky at home, -18, -13, -14, when I only have Kentucky at #22, I really didn't even consider them. I looked at 6 teams for my final two spots, went with LMU and Oregon State. And if LMU loses to Portland this weekend, I will likely replace LMU with Portland next week. Colorado State, ETSU, and Tennessee are on the radar for me, should others falter. I had LMU at #22 and was surprised more folks did not have them ranked. They do not have any top 25 wins, but they have beaten everyone at 3-0 or 3-1 including 3-0 victories over Auburn, American, and 3-1 over Kansas at Kansas. Their only loss was a very close 5 set loss to Cal Poly at a neutral site where the aggregate scoring for the 5 sets was 112-112. That tells me either Cal Poly is ranked too high, or LMU is a pretty good team and deserves to be in top 25. My last 4 in where: 22 - LMU 23 - Washington St. 24 - Colorado 25 - Louisville (I did not ding them for loss against Kentucky because c4ndle curse was in affect) |
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Post by bayarea on Sept 17, 2018 13:15:14 GMT -5
These were the exact 25 teams I had on my ballot, and mostly within a couple of spots of where I had each team. I did also drop Florida (to 15) after seeing their lost sets to bad teams. I had Minnesota a spot above Illinois. Disappointed that they didn't get to play K-State, but I didn't penalize them for that. I thought Creighton was pretty evenly matched with Illinois, but kept coming up short in 3 of 4 sets. They didn't look like a horribly worse team, though. So I didn't drop them much.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:17:31 GMT -5
Last week's #1 votes: 1. BYU (26).......................745 2. Stanford (4)...................723 --- vbprisoner : Did someone shift their vote to Wisconsin for #1 or is that an alternative/back-up poster? I was one of the posters who switched my number 1 vote to Stanford this week, from BYU last week. Sweeping and winning 3-1 against Texas, in addition to convincing victories against Penn State and Minnesota, outweighs a 2-3 H2H loss @ BYU in my book. The Wisconsin #1 vote is a voter that has been voting since day 1 and I gave him sh*t the first time he did it in week 2 and then had to eat crow when Wisconsin beat Texas that week, but in week 3 poll he did not vote Wisconsin #1 coming off the Baylor defeat.  |
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Post by jwvolley on Sept 17, 2018 13:20:12 GMT -5
Just realized that Minnesota hasn’t beaten anyone of substance lol. Conference play will tell us whether they’re for real or not. Can SSS get it done without the Tapps?
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Post by vbprisoner on Sept 17, 2018 13:20:15 GMT -5
This was the same top 25 as I had. I kind of thought Louisville, Portland, and Kansas State were the real contenders for #25 - I went with Louisville since I had them rated higher to start the season and I would like to see more from the other two. So many (too many) have tried to disqualify for Top 25 consideration. You had the same 25 teams, but not the same order as the final aggregate VT top 25. (Although there were only 3 ballots that had the same 25 teams as the final aggregate top 25 and you were one of them, and so was bayarea as they posted above) |
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 17, 2018 13:27:12 GMT -5
Question. How do teams like Creighton, Cal Poly and Marquette move up after this week? If the big money football schools are only playing other ranked schools in conference will they be penalized for losing in conference and move down to the teens"? For me - it is win and move up in the Pablo ranking. Pablo hasn't been all that kind to Creighton and Marquette this year. The same thing holds for BYU and Pittsburgh - where Pablo likes both teams. Their schedules are going to make it tougher for them to move up - but also easier to keep from falling.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:30:27 GMT -5
Regarding my choice: I really, really like BYU. Haddock and Lake are two of my favorite players in the country, and I think Lake is the nation's best bro. However, I think the complete void at opposite is going to hurt them going forward. They're very system-oriented, so some big early season wins was not unexpected. However, as other teams start to improve and gel within their own systems, I think BYU's unbalanced attack will be a concern and I can't rank them #1. Stanford is obviously very talented, but I don't see them as being significantly stronger than Wisconsin. Wisconsin also has a little more depth with Hart on the bench, whereas Stanford doesn't really have the ability to make adjustments if things get wonky. I think Wisconsin is the better team with less weaknesses (individually and as a team) and more weapons. And I still think Stanford's lineup is wrong. Like huskerjen said a couple weeks ago, I'm also still figuring out my logic each week we do this. For some teams, my ranking is how I see them right now. For others, it's how I see them at the end. For others still, it's how I think they should be. I am trying to keep the "Team A beat Team B but lost to Team C who beat Team A but they were at home..." crap out of my picks, however. But, overall, it changes for every team nearly every week. |
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Post by huskergeek on Sept 17, 2018 13:32:08 GMT -5
This week, I had three distinct groups. - The Contenders. Stanford through Illinois or the first seven.
- The Pack. 8-22 who I reordered about eight times.
- The Stragglers. A group of 10 teams fighting for 3 spots.
My biggest disagreements were Kentucky who I have much higher, and UNI/Alabama who I put in on the back end. Ignoring those three teams, I was an average of 2 spots different for the other 22 teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:35:17 GMT -5
I kept Stanford at number 1. To me, wins at home (3) and away (1) against top 8 ranked teams more than offset their 5 set loss at BYU at the conclusion of a week long road trip in the first week of play. I am heartened that BluePenquin starts fresh each week instead of modifying his last week's poll, though I respectfully disagree with his top result. I trust that approach will be followed by most VT voters so the poll does not follow the AVCA's usual "drop a team only if it loses" approach. If that happens, BYU may well stay at #1 all season long with only one win against a top 10 win (at home in week 1) and only two wins against top 25 teams (the other win against USC 3-0 at a neutral site). (LMU was not included as a top 25 team in the preceding sentence.)
Having seen Minnesota, PSU and Texas play Stanford live, I ranked Minny (4) higher than the other two (7 and 5). My other disparities were placing Washington and UCLA higher and Michigan and Marquette lower, all either 4 or 5 places differently. All in all, I had 24 of VT's top 25 teams in my top 25. LMU and Portland face off this Saturday at Portland in an anticipated WCC and Poll match up. While both of them were in my top 30, I kept Utah in my top 25 instead of either of them. Ignoring that one ranking, I was an average of 1.83 spots different for the other 24 teams.
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