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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 8, 2021 14:26:44 GMT -5
A beat down? Really? Losing in the 1st set when Cincinnati Attack loses their middle. I wouldn't exactly call that a beatdown. One sided beatdown, I wouldn't go that far. Nevertheless, Fear was the best team in 17 USA. Attack was a very good team as well. Both could have played in open and competed well. One 17 USA note: 630 17- 3's had a hell of a run, winning 8 straight before losing badly to Attack in Gold, and finishing 5th. Again, a 3's team. Those kids weren't the biggest, or the best, but they played as a team, were fun to watch, and very hard not to root for.
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Post by elder2022 on Jul 8, 2021 14:41:54 GMT -5
One sided beatdown, I wouldn't go that far. Nevertheless, Fear was the best team in 17 USA. Attack was a very good team as well. Both could have played in open and competed well. One 17 USA note: 630 17- 3's had a hell of a run, winning 8 straight before losing badly to Attack in Gold, and finishing 5th. Again, a 3's team. Those kids weren't the biggest, or the best, but they played as a team, were fun to watch, and very hard not to root for. Does anyone have info on that 630 team? Did their 3's team just become better than the 2's throughout the club season? Thought it was interesting when I saw that the 2's team was playing club.
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Post by bealzabubba on Jul 8, 2021 15:12:51 GMT -5
One 17 USA note: 630 17- 3's had a hell of a run, winning 8 straight before losing badly to Attack in Gold, and finishing 5th. Again, a 3's team. Those kids weren't the biggest, or the best, but they played as a team, were fun to watch, and very hard not to root for. Does anyone have info on that 630 team? Did their 3's team just become better than the 2's throughout the club season? Thought it was interesting when I saw that the 2's team was playing club. Their -2s tried for Open, and did not make it, and really didn't do well enough to merit consideration for at large. The -3s were always USA. I found it shocking that the club had -3s in 15s (two in Open) and -4s in 17s at BJNC (listed on their tourney shirts). The few times I've ever seen clubs go that deep, they were really bad developmental teams. Not the case here.
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Post by zenvball on Jul 8, 2021 16:33:09 GMT -5
17 USA -- MVVC 17 Black made a great run during the last 2 days to land bronze - they took AZ Fear to a 3rd set in the semi's. A shame about Cinci Attack's middle in the final as they were ahead until he got injured.
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Post by elder2022 on Jul 8, 2021 17:04:17 GMT -5
17 USA -- MVVC 17 Black made a great run during the last 2 days to land bronze - they took AZ Fear to a 3rd set in the semi's. A shame about Cinci Attack's middle in the final as they were ahead until he got injured. Cincy attack was also without their DS on the final day as well. Great run after starting 0-3 on the 1st day of the tournament.
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Post by bzzt on Jul 9, 2021 10:46:30 GMT -5
17 USA -- MVVC 17 Black made a great run during the last 2 days to land bronze - they took AZ Fear to a 3rd set in the semi's. A shame about Cinci Attack's middle in the final as they were ahead until he got injured. Yeah injuries always suck. MVVC 17 Black's opposite really played well during the tournament especially against Fear. Really surprised that he didn't get an all tournament selection this year.
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Post by tangentalone on Jul 9, 2021 12:34:27 GMT -5
Does anyone know all tournament team for 18s and 17s? Also, who picks which players are on that team? Yes, I would love to know where to find these teams are posted. Spike and Serve's lefty right side, Keau Thompson, must have gotten tournament MVP. He was the most dominant arm I saw at the 17s level. No one was better, right?
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Post by westcoastvolleyfreak on Jul 9, 2021 16:40:31 GMT -5
Does anyone know all tournament team for 18s and 17s? Also, who picks which players are on that team? Yes, I would love to know where to find these teams are posted. Spike and Serve's lefty right side, Keau Thompson, must have gotten tournament MVP. He was the most dominant arm I saw at the 17s level. No one was better, right? yes he did get MVP.
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Post by Opposit3 on Jul 9, 2021 20:02:14 GMT -5
Does anyone know all tournament team for 18s and 17s? Also, who picks which players are on that team? Don't know all the names but here's the list for 18 Open. Balboa Bay: Dane Hillis OH MVP Gabe Dyer S/OPP Brendan Read L Luke Chandler OPP Pac Rim: Donovan Constable S Don't know names, #1 and #4, both outsides MB Surf: Dillon Klein OH Owen Birg OH/OPP OCVC: Andrew Rowan S Wave: Matthew Lim OH One more I think not sure who. SPVB: Don't know the name, #56 OH committed to Princeton.
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Post by flamingpheonix1 on Jul 10, 2021 0:38:18 GMT -5
I know I mentioned it in a different thread, but I think it belongs here aswell. The gold sliver crossover games need to go, this year saw to many top teams in 17s and 18s fall to silver because of a poor performance in one game or a play in vs another top team
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Post by vbstatman on Jul 10, 2021 10:55:41 GMT -5
I cannot speak about the 17s, but I did follow the 18s and the Gold crossovers in 18s seemed just fine. The fact a team has to win a pressured match to stay in Gold seems to be just good competition. Some good teams got knocked out of Gold during the three team pools, rather than the Gold/Silver crossovers (i.e., 352, the 18s #2 overall seed). Bay to Bay lost to Wave in their 3 team pool and then had to face Balboa in the Gold crossover match - brutal for Bay to Bay. Otherwise, which top teams were knocked out by an unfair crossover? Rockstar had a huge injury and was knocked out by a good OCVC team. Seems to me the crossovers coupled with the three team Tuesday pools allowed for correction of poor original seeding (e.g., Wave as a 14 seed and some of the other teams being so highly seeded). To me poor performance in one match was not the issue in this format as you had to just stay top 4 on days 1 and 2, stay top 2 in day 3 pools, and then yes, crossover on day three was critical, but staying in gold always comes down to a single match at nationals. I don't see it as unfair since original seeding was so arbitrary this year (e.g., AJV as a 1 seed in its original pool (4 seed overall)). In the 18s crossovers, I did not see any huge surprises - Rockstar losing was big, but was driven by the huge injury, and they lost to a good OCVC team that arguably was seeded too low. Wave beating HPSTL was not a big surprise as Wave was poorly seeded. The other matches all seemed about right. Maybe 17s saw more upsets?
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Post by dude2112 on Jul 10, 2021 11:14:05 GMT -5
i think a bigger problem than the crossover is the 3 team pools. these three-way ties are stupid. niagara beat rockstar (18s) and ended up in a three-way tie, but finished 3rd in the pool, putting them in bronze. sucks to beat the tourney's top seed and end up in bronze (although i know coordt was hurt, but still). same with 352, who ended up third in a three-way tie. they need to have 4team pools.
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Post by olderthandirt on Jul 10, 2021 13:41:18 GMT -5
It seemed like this year due to Covid and limited tournaments, the 18 Club division had the better teams where USA would be next level below Open. Ex Legacy 18 Club with Luke Benson went undefeated. Is that correct?
But I don’t see that same thing for 17s Club vs USA. 17 USA had better teams than 17 Club.
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Post by chico on Jul 10, 2021 14:04:55 GMT -5
It seemed like this year due to Covid and limited tournaments, the 18 Club division had the better teams where USA would be next level below Open. Ex Legacy 18 Club with Luke Benson went undefeated. Is that correct? But I don’t see that same thing for 17s Club vs USA. 17 USA had better teams than 17 Club. SMASH 17-1 definitely could've placed high in USA, in fact they were missing 3 of their players for JOs. I know a lot of teams dropped from USA to Club for an "easy medal" including 630 18-1s and 17-2s.
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Post by kwkfl on Jul 10, 2021 15:28:49 GMT -5
i think a bigger problem than the crossover is the 3 team pools. these three-way ties are stupid. niagara beat rockstar (18s) and ended up in a three-way tie, but finished 3rd in the pool, putting them in bronze. sucks to beat the tourney's top seed and end up in bronze (although i know coordt was hurt, but still). same with 352, who ended up third in a three-way tie. they need to have 4team pools. These three team pools are an opportunity for teams to show up big, as well as underdogs to pull off upsets. At JOs nothing comes for granted, just because rockstar 18s was one of the best teams in the nation, that doesn’t guarantee them a spot in the gold bracket. Even with their injury, Niagara was still a very winnable match for them. They lost, giving them a difficult matchup against Ocvc. 352 had lost to Yorktown who was also very beatable. Rockstar and 352 didn’t show up when it mattered and that’s why they missed out. The three team pools are not the issue. 352 lost to Sports Performance. They beat Yorktown.
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