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Post by westcoastvolleyfreak on Jul 10, 2021 18:03:20 GMT -5
It seemed like this year due to Covid and limited tournaments, the 18 Club division had the better teams where USA would be next level below Open. Ex Legacy 18 Club with Luke Benson went undefeated. Is that correct? But I don’t see that same thing for 17s Club vs USA. 17 USA had better teams than 17 Club. yeah that is correct. Legacy 18 elite is easily an open team but due to lack of tourneys, they were put in club where there was no real competition for them IMO.
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Post by volleyballdude2015 on Jul 11, 2021 0:07:16 GMT -5
It seemed like this year due to Covid and limited tournaments, the 18 Club division had the better teams where USA would be next level below Open. Ex Legacy 18 Club with Luke Benson went undefeated. Is that correct? But I don’t see that same thing for 17s Club vs USA. 17 USA had better teams than 17 Club. The best way for USA to truly be the second best level of play would be for all the bid tournaments to only have one division. Let's say there's enough teams for 6 bids. Top 3 get Open bids and then the next 3 get USA bids. If you previously qualified for USA and earn an Open bid later, you can take it and then the USA bid goes back to the At Large category. And then everyone who doesn't get an Open or USA bid goes to Club. That's how you truly get the best quality teams in Open and USA in my opinion, rather than having a team that is not quite good enough for an Open bid being forced to play club because they didn't try to qualify for USA at any tournament. I've been saying this needs to be the format for years but nobody listens to me
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Post by yorktowne12 on Jul 11, 2021 8:16:30 GMT -5
The reason your logic does not work is because they are actually giving out 6 open bids. Why make 3 of them USA and lose open bids ? I mean Cali had 9 open bids plus 3 more in nor cal on a regular basis. That’s 12 slots to qualify.
As for the gold and silver cross matches. There is really nothing wrong with those. Of course the people who lost in them are not happy but next year if it benefited them they would like them. The pools of six allows you to never be out of the event until day 3 is over. The return of playoff games will return. That was voted out when a certain person “Texas” didn’t want to pay the refs for the extra matches.
If you use our pool for example. It went Yt, sports performance and 352! The team who won the tie in sets gets 1st “that was us”, and 352 and sports performance would play again for second.
The purpose of open USA club was to get teams to play their level of play at Qualifiers. And it’s working. More and more teams are playing USA and not open.
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Post by olderthandirt on Jul 11, 2021 14:25:35 GMT -5
17 Open Analysis: Going in, the 17 open seeding had pretty clear issues in 2 or 3 pools: I do think the seeding overall was decent considering few tournaments, but the teams with a lesser resume seem to have been given higher seeds than were warranted.
There were some 17 kids that played up in 18 open this year, so talk of Class of 2022 being average recruiting class isn’t accurate). I don’t think there’s a big impact player like a Luke Benson in 17s, but a bunch of solid players.
*Pool 5 - probably the toughest Pool - only 1 bad team (Pool 1 could possibly try to make same argument). Spike and Serve - Gold medal winner Milwaukee VBC - 5th overall Yorktowne- 11th overall Wave - beat the eventual #1 SAS and #5 Milwaukee on day 1. Day 3- Wave took San Juan VBC #9 to 3 sets, (22-25, 25-21,15-17) Coast- Day 3 had a couple easy outs with Sky High ?, and Pinnacle but beat the teams they should have beat and played deep into their flight.
*Pool 2 - this was the easiest path to Finals 352 - Silver winner 3 teams finished clustered between #17-21 * Takeaway- At least one better team (ex, from Pool 5 or Pool 1) should have been swapped for one of the 3 teams that are solid but finished clustered.
*Pool 4 - second easiest path to Finals Pulse - 5th place finish 2 teams ended in #13-15, one ended #23
*Pool 6 - probably the 3rd toughest Pool OCVC - Bronze WPVC #5, MB Surf #10, and 2 bad teams finished #31 and below
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 20:05:26 GMT -5
Does anyone know all tournament team for 18s and 17s? Also, who picks which players are on that team? Don't know all the names but here's the list for 18 Open. Balboa Bay: Dane Hillis OH MVP Gabe Dyer S/OPP Brendan Read L Luke Chandler OPP Pac Rim: Donovan Constable S Don't know names, #1 and #4, both outsides MB Surf: Dillon Klein OH Owen Birg OH/OPP OCVC: Andrew Rowan S Wave: Matthew Lim OH One more I think not sure who. SPVB: Don't know the name, #56 OH committed to Princeton. If I am not mistaken, #1 PacRim is Josh Ewert (Brother of Stanford Alumni Jordan Ewert, and #5 was the other choice Bennet Florentin. Don’t think he is committed anywhere) Kind of surprised Ben Blakely didn’t get the award considering he is prob there best player 18 Open was all Balboa and not really surprising. They were better than every other team in that age group when healthy. Glad to see that Hillis got MVP. There hardest matchups were in the Semis. Finals was over as PacRim got an easy side to the bracket, whoever came out of the bottom side of that bracket was going to win 17 Open, great showing by SASVC, Thompson deserving of that MVP 100%. Everyone including myself thought it would be B2B easily but they were shaky the whole tournament, couldn’t preform to their best when it mattered but they will definitely be a contender next year as well, probabaly favorites. MB Surf with Klein will be fun to watch. MVVC also wasn’t in the top 8, didn’t watch them but seems like they underperformed as well. 16 Open, everyone saw it coming, Balboa in dominate fashion. Some players catching eyes. I loved what Sean Kelly brought to the table this tournament. It seems like this tournament was a lot more diverse than the others. Maybe due to the lack of bid tournaments some teams weren’t able to compete, notably Legacy 18s with Benson. But it seems like the Midwest is becoming really strong as they gave the California teams a run for their money.
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Post by zerotempo on Jul 11, 2021 20:06:16 GMT -5
17 Open Analysis: Going in, the 17 open seeding had pretty clear issues in 2 or 3 pools: I do think the seeding overall was decent considering few tournaments, but the teams with a lesser resume seem to have been given higher seeds than were warranted. There were some 17 kids that played up in 18 open this year, so talk of Class of 2022 being average recruiting class isn’t accurate). I don’t think there’s a big impact player like a Luke Benson in 17s, but a bunch of solid players. *Pool 5 - probably the toughest Pool - only 1 bad team (Pool 1 could possibly try to make same argument). Spike and Serve - Gold medal winner Milwaukee VBC - 5th overall Yorktowne- 11th overall Wave - beat the eventual #1 SAS and #5 Milwaukee on day 1. Day 3- Wave took San Juan VBC #9 to 3 sets, (22-25, 25-21,15-17) Coast- Day 3 had a couple easy outs with Sky High ?, and Pinnacle but beat the teams they should have beat and played deep into their flight. *Pool 2 - this was the easiest path to Finals 352 - Silver winner 3 teams finished clustered between #17-21 * Takeaway- At least one better team (ex, from Pool 5 or Pool 1) should have been swapped for one of the 3 teams that are solid but finished clustered. *Pool 4 - second easiest path to Finals Pulse - 5th place finish 2 teams ended in #13-15, one ended #23 *Pool 6 - probably the 3rd toughest Pool OCVC - Bronze WPVC #5, MB Surf #10, and 2 bad teams finished #31 and below Lets get an 18s analysis
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Post by Volleyguy18 on Jul 12, 2021 0:40:38 GMT -5
Another great year for Balboa!! Glad Andy Reid is getting the gold he would have got last year if you are talking about Balboa 18s last year. no chance they were beating Scvc at Jos Balboa won both big tournaments in first half of the season if I remember correctly. Also beat scvc when both teams were fully healthy in one of those tournaments
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Post by vb101gamer on Jul 12, 2021 16:04:04 GMT -5
Balboa and SCVA met twice in 2019-2020... SCVA one a one game playoff at one of the single day tournaments. Balboa beat SCVA 2-0 in the Holiday Classic... I think that was the finals. The teams did not meet in the Qualifier. Balboa won both the Holiday and Qualifier Tournaments. Who would have won if they had met at JNT... we will never know.. but it would have been an epic match for sure.
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Post by cyberVBmidwest on Jul 12, 2021 16:48:17 GMT -5
Were All Tournament teams selected during this year's BJNC?
I haven't found anything on the USAV site yet. It might take them a while to post so not sure. I enter them into the Middle Hitter JNC database.
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Post by westcoastvolleyfreak on Jul 12, 2021 17:50:48 GMT -5
Were All Tournament teams selected during this year's BJNC? I haven't found anything on the USAV site yet. It might take them a while to post so not sure. I enter them into the Middle Hitter JNC database. yes they were. but no announcement's, i think you just had to be there in order to know.
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Post by LongSpatch on Jul 13, 2021 0:00:38 GMT -5
Balboa and SCVA met twice in 2019-2020... SCVA one a one game playoff at one of the single day tournaments. Balboa beat SCVA 2-0 in the Holiday Classic... I think that was the finals. The teams did not meet in the Qualifier. Balboa won both the Holiday and Qualifier Tournaments. Who would have won if they had met at JNT... we will never know.. but it would have been an epic match for sure. to be fair scvc was missing their best player clarke godbold. and their key libero logan sharp with injuries during that game.
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Post by yorktowne12 on Jul 13, 2021 9:00:01 GMT -5
ALL TOURNEY 18 OPEN LUKE CHANDLER - BALBOA LUCAS BIONDI - SASVBC CHASE GIANNI - WAVE RYAN GIVENS - YORKTOWNE DILLON KLEIN - MB SURF TREVOR LAU - PAC RIM GABRIEL DYER - BALBOA NYHEROWO OMENE - SPVB MATTHEW LIM - WAVE DONOVAN CONSTABLE - PAC RIM BRENDAN READ - BALBOA OWEN BIRG - MB SURF ANDREW ROWAN - OCVC JOSHUA EWERT - PAC RIM DANE HILLIS - BALBOA - MVP
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Post by cyberVBmidwest on Jul 13, 2021 12:02:32 GMT -5
Were All Tournament teams selected during this year's BJNC? I haven't found anything on the USAV site yet. It might take them a while to post so not sure. I enter them into the Middle Hitter JNC database. yes they were. but no announcement's, i think you just had to be there in order to know. Thanks for the reply. I will reach out to USAV to see if they can provide me the full list.
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Post by vb101gamer on Jul 13, 2021 14:33:06 GMT -5
To be ACCURATE.. in the 2-0 win by Balboa at the Holiday Tournament... Clarke played... can't remember about the libero.... Clarke did not play in the Qualifier.
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Post by LongSpatch on Jul 13, 2021 15:34:13 GMT -5
To be ACCURATE.. in the 2-0 win by Balboa at the Holiday Tournament... Clarke played... can't remember about the libero.... Clarke did not play in the Qualifier. correct. but at jo's that year no shot SCVC was going to lose. Henry Wedbush was a new setter adjusting to their team and they would have smashed balboa 2-0 at JO's
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