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Post by dizzydean on Jul 27, 2021 18:22:24 GMT -5
There is a good video breakdown by a former gymnast explaining that she got “lost in the air” or as some gymnasts have described it, the twisties. It’s almost like vertigo, because of the disorientation she involuntarily started opening up too early in the air preparing to land, its incredibly dangerous as the most important thing a gymnast needs to know at all times is where they are in relation to the ground. This can be exacerbated by stress. Her mental game may have been the initiator but the reasons she pulled out I feel absolutely had physical safety implications and she and her coaches made the choice that she felt was right for her. I don’t feel there was any failure to prepare on anyone’s part, once it happens there is a huge risk in continuing. I’n proud of the entire team! So this isn’t a mental health issue in the sense of depression, panic, anxiety?
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Post by thebaytocsulb on Jul 27, 2021 18:42:10 GMT -5
I have a very good friend with anxiety issues due to losing their thyroid from cancer. When his numbers are off he is frozen by anxiety until his meds are adjusted. It's impossible to understand unless you see it up close or live through it. The macho twitter trolls dragging Biles makes me sick and angry. I'm glad she was self aware and confident enough to step away before possibly hurting herself. Her routines are freaking dangerous.
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Post by bumpsetsonly on Jul 27, 2021 19:00:29 GMT -5
There is a good video breakdown by a former gymnast explaining that she got “lost in the air” or as some gymnasts have described it, the twisties. It’s almost like vertigo, because of the disorientation she involuntarily started opening up too early in the air preparing to land, its incredibly dangerous as the most important thing a gymnast needs to know at all times is where they are in relation to the ground. This can be exacerbated by stress. Her mental game may have been the initiator but the reasons she pulled out I feel absolutely had physical safety implications and she and her coaches made the choice that she felt was right for her. I don’t feel there was any failure to prepare on anyone’s part, once it happens there is a huge risk in continuing. I’n proud of the entire team! So this isn’t a mental health issue in the sense of depression, panic, anxiety? i think not in the traditional sense. I’m sure anxiety, pressure were a factor in her mental state but in my opinion the answer isn’t as straighforward as scheduling an extra session with a sports psychologist, its more complicated than the idea that she isn’t mentally tough enough or just checked out because she couldn’t push through a tough spot. Having an off day in tennis or swimming probably just means you don’t win, in gymnastics you could be seriously injured.
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Post by newbeach on Jul 27, 2021 19:19:40 GMT -5
My initial thought was to agree with mervynpumpkinhead . As elite athletes you do train to handle both internal and external pressures. Athletes can feel that pressure whether they are #1 in the world, at the college level, etc. A “win at all costs” attitude can put you on the sidelines (I know from experience), or worse. My expectations for myself are different than what I expect of friends. I would never want them to do something that put their career or life at risk. Many athletes I know have pledged to “play it smart” - mentally and physically. In the end, I think Simone is taking care of herself first and that should be the new norm. Athletes are driven to win, and have to realize that a gold medal, or championship, etc. is not worth your physical or mental health. It's not heroic if you do something stupid that you knew you shouldn't do.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Jul 27, 2021 19:31:28 GMT -5
If this is the case, that she wasn’t able to navigate tumbling etc., I get it. If it wasn’t safe, it wasn’t safe.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jul 27, 2021 19:54:09 GMT -5
Honestly, the failure might have been not recognizing the state and danger she was in after her warm-up, and allowing her to attempt to perform it again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 20:02:22 GMT -5
Honestly, the failure might have been not recognizing the state and danger she was in after her warm-up, and allowing her to attempt to perform it again. Sure, but she’s been a little off on everything all season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 20:06:02 GMT -5
My initial thought was to agree with mervynpumpkinhead . As elite athletes you do train to handle both internal and external pressures. Athletes can feel that pressure whether they are #1 in the world, at the college level, etc. A “win at all costs” attitude can put you on the sidelines (I know from experience), or worse. My expectations for myself is different than what I expect of friends. I would never want them to do something that put their career or life at risk. Many athletes I know have pledged to “play it smart” - mentally and physically. In the end, I think Simone is taking care of herself first and that should be the new norm. Athletes are driven to win, and have to realize that a gold medal, or championship, etc. is not worth your physical or mental health. It's not heroic if you do something stupid that you knew you shouldn't do. Yes. America, unfortunately, is conditioned to believe the opposite though. Strug landing her vault on one foot is an iconic moment that I think almost every American is at least tangentially aware of in some capacity. I’m glad that the response has been mostly positive and supportive for her.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jul 27, 2021 20:41:24 GMT -5
Honestly, the failure might have been not recognizing the state and danger she was in after her warm-up, and allowing her to attempt to perform it again. Sure, but she’s been a little off on everything all season. It doesn’t appear that today qualified as “a little off”.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 22:03:48 GMT -5
Sure, but she’s been a little off on everything all season. It doesn’t appear that today qualified as “a little off”. Agreed. Hindsight, but agreed. Martha would’ve spit on her and told her to get her f*cking sh*t together though, so silver linings.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 27, 2021 23:00:15 GMT -5
It doesn’t appear that today qualified as “a little off”. Agreed. Hindsight, but agreed. Martha would’ve spit on her and told her to get her f*cking sh*t together though, so silver linings. This. It's really important that a gymnast of Simone's caliber was brave enough to publicly say "No" on such a platform. Hopefully it will give up-and-comers who are being abused, overtrained, forced to do dangerous skills to the detriment of their long-term health, the courage to do the same. That's probably a more important legacy she could leave her sport, above adding a couple more golds to the tally.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 23:17:40 GMT -5
Agreed. Hindsight, but agreed. Martha would’ve spit on her and told her to get her f*cking sh*t together though, so silver linings. This. It's really important that a gymnast of Simone's caliber was brave enough to publicly say "No" on such a platform. Hopefully it will give up-and-comers who are being abused, overtrained, forced to do dangerous skills to the detriment of their long-term health, the courage to do the same. That's probably a more important legacy she could leave her sport, above adding a couple more golds to the tally. The potential positive impact of today is immeasurable. For her coaches, Cecile and Laurent, to allow her the space to even think about making this decision is all the proof we need that removing the Karolyis from this organization was invaluable. I think it’s important to say that her decision was not against the wishes of her coaches. She had their full support.
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Post by lionsfan on Jul 28, 2021 0:06:34 GMT -5
It doesn’t appear that today qualified as “a little off”. Agreed. Hindsight, but agreed. Martha would’ve spit on her and told her to get her f*cking sh*t together though, so silver linings. Wait, have you dumped Brody already? Just back off of Ryan Murphy. He's mine.
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Post by aquaphortm on Jul 28, 2021 1:07:46 GMT -5
As much as I agree to an extent that athletes should always be prepared in tough moments, it's just not realistic. We're all humans. In Simone's case, because she is the best gymnast and one of the best athletes in the world, we have such scrutiny to every little mistake she has. In a dangerous sport like gymnastics, an off-day can be fatal. If she knew she was off, I'm glad she stepped back because not only would that pretty much guarantee a medal (albeit not gold) for the team, but also guarantees that she won't be hurt for the rest of the competition.
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Post by huskersrule95 on Jul 28, 2021 1:38:12 GMT -5
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