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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 27, 2021 13:17:40 GMT -5
Well, that was interesting.
I didn't watch it and wasn't invested in it, but hearing the news today that Simone Biles pulled out of the competition and the US took silver was quite surprising.
Biles has been one of the media's main faces of the Olympics in the US for the last four years. She's in every commercial, every promo, etc. etc.
Did the pressure from that lead to her problems? She has said she just didn't feel like her head was into it properly, and was afraid she was going to seriously injure herself if she continued.
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 27, 2021 13:20:29 GMT -5
Well, that was interesting. I didn't watch it and wasn't invested in it, but hearing the news today that Simone Biles pulled out of the competition and the US took silver was quite surprising. Biles has been one of the media's main faces of the Olympics in the US for the last four years. She's in every commercial, every promo, etc. etc. Did the pressure from that lead to her problems? She has said she just didn't feel like her head was into it properly, and was afraid she was going to seriously injure herself if she continued. She'sspoken out about anxiety and feeling the pressure, etc...given her tweet last night prior to the start of the finals I think (THINK) it was an extreme case of nerves and instead of messing up wanted to give the team the best chance to medal....she still picks up a silver because she did the one vault and was technically a member of the finals team as I was told...will be interesting if she competes in the individual finals...
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 27, 2021 13:33:10 GMT -5
I think people who have not done dangerous sports don't quite grasp the difference between "handling the pressure" and literally being afraid for your life because you don't feel sharp enough to perform at that moment.
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Post by gr8ful on Jul 27, 2021 13:58:21 GMT -5
I think people who have not done dangerous sports don't quite grasp the difference between "handling the pressure" and literally being afraid for your life because you don't feel sharp enough to perform at that moment. Agree with you 100%, and hope you didn't interpret that from my comment...from the sounds of it she wanted to give the team the best chance and didn't think she was going to be able to deliver at the level today... Biles later told NBC’s “TODAY” she is “in shape” and feels “good” physically. She said she felt increased pressure as one of the most well-known athletes at the games. “Emotionally, that kind of varies on the time and the moment,” she said. “You know, coming here to the Olympics and being the head star of the Olympics is not an easy feat, so we’re just trying to take it one day at a time, and we’ll see.” from the BBC interview it sounds like she will compete in the individual competition... The four-time Olympic champ said a disappointing opening vault attempt rattled her and “after that performance I just didn’t want to go on.” Her teammates continued on in an ultimately futile fight for the gold medal against a resurgent team from Russia, taking silver instead. “I’m just dealing with things internally that will get fixed in the next couple of days,” Biles told the BBC. Asked if she would compete in the all-around event final on Thursday, Biles replied: “Yes.”
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Jul 27, 2021 15:43:09 GMT -5
But....isn't this a huge failure on the part of her personal team, her preparation, her training?
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Post by andrewwmic on Jul 27, 2021 15:50:20 GMT -5
But....isn't this a huge failure on the part of her personal team, her preparation, her training? No
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Jul 27, 2021 15:54:46 GMT -5
But....isn't this a huge failure on the part of her personal team, her preparation, her training? No No? Their job is to prepare the athlete for all this stuff, pressure, spotlight, popularity, competition, training, etc., and on the BIGGEST stage it all comes apart? I think Simone has a responsibility, too, to be ready when the moment comes. But I think it's not her alone. I applaud her for having the courage to do it, but...this is not a win in any shape or form.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 27, 2021 15:56:58 GMT -5
No? Their job is to prepare the athlete for all this stuff, pressure, spotlight, popularity, competition, training, etc., and on the BIGGEST stage it all comes apart? I think Simone has a responsibility, too, to be ready when the moment comes. But I think it's not her alone. I applaud her for having the courage to do it, but...this is not a win in any shape or form. I think Julissa Gomez would tell you it is.
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Post by andrewwmic on Jul 27, 2021 15:59:31 GMT -5
No? Their job is to prepare the athlete for all this stuff, pressure, spotlight, popularity, competition, training, etc., and on the BIGGEST stage it all comes apart? I think Simone has a responsibility, too, to be ready when the moment comes. But I think it's not her alone. I applaud her for having the courage to do it, but...this is not a win in any shape or form. Simone doesn't owe ANYONE a "responsibility" to do anything. Today she took care of her mental health first, exactly what should happen. She did win today.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Jul 27, 2021 16:06:49 GMT -5
No? Their job is to prepare the athlete for all this stuff, pressure, spotlight, popularity, competition, training, etc., and on the BIGGEST stage it all comes apart? I think Simone has a responsibility, too, to be ready when the moment comes. But I think it's not her alone. I applaud her for having the courage to do it, but...this is not a win in any shape or form. Simone doesn't owe ANYONE a "responsibility" to do anything. Today she took care of her mental health first, exactly what should happen. She did win today. Well she has a responsibility as a competitor to be ready to compete when the moment comes. A responsibility to her teammates. And I'm not trying to come at this from a he-man attitude. If she honestly didn't think she could compete, out of concern for her safety, then she should've withdrawn. But not being able to compete at the moment you're needed most, that's a breakdown of training, preparation, SOMETHING.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Jul 27, 2021 16:08:58 GMT -5
No? Their job is to prepare the athlete for all this stuff, pressure, spotlight, popularity, competition, training, etc., and on the BIGGEST stage it all comes apart? I think Simone has a responsibility, too, to be ready when the moment comes. But I think it's not her alone. I applaud her for having the courage to do it, but...this is not a win in any shape or form. I think Julissa Gomez would tell you it is. Of course, if she felt she might be at risk of serious injury, then she shouldn't have competed. But not being able to work her way out of that "place" is the result of something not working in her preparation.
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Post by sonofdogman on Jul 27, 2021 16:10:45 GMT -5
No? Their job is to prepare the athlete for all this stuff, pressure, spotlight, popularity, competition, training, etc., and on the BIGGEST stage it all comes apart? I think Simone has a responsibility, too, to be ready when the moment comes. But I think it's not her alone. I applaud her for having the courage to do it, but...this is not a win in any shape or form. What would her team know about being the best, about being being told you're the best ever, or about being the name and face of multi-million dollar campaigns run by huge corporate entities? Simone is in a lonely place and her team has no experience to compare that to. No knowledge of what it's like to be where only Simone has gone. So, I believe NO is a very solid answer to give to your question. It is her problem to deal with and her problem to solve. I do not mean in any way she is in it alone, but there is no training, practice, medication or pep talk that will solve the issues she's facing. She is clearly in need of help and asking for it, yet it will ultimately come down to whether she can find the help she needs and then split it herself to the situations she will face again in the days ahead.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Jul 27, 2021 16:41:22 GMT -5
No? Their job is to prepare the athlete for all this stuff, pressure, spotlight, popularity, competition, training, etc., and on the BIGGEST stage it all comes apart? I think Simone has a responsibility, too, to be ready when the moment comes. But I think it's not her alone. I applaud her for having the courage to do it, but...this is not a win in any shape or form.
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Post by bumpsetsonly on Jul 27, 2021 17:02:53 GMT -5
There is a good video breakdown by a former gymnast explaining that she got “lost in the air” or as some gymnasts have described it, the twisties. It’s almost like vertigo, because of the disorientation she involuntarily started opening up too early in the air preparing to land, its incredibly dangerous as the most important thing a gymnast needs to know at all times is where they are in relation to the ground. This can be exacerbated by stress. Her mental game may have been the initiator but the reasons she pulled out I feel absolutely had physical safety implications and she and her coaches made the choice that she felt was right for her.
I don’t feel there was any failure to prepare on anyone’s part, once it happens there is a huge risk in continuing. I’n proud of the entire team!
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Post by recleague on Jul 27, 2021 17:14:56 GMT -5
Most of her usual support system probably isn't in Tokyo because they can't be.
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