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Post by silverchloride on May 3, 2022 19:14:43 GMT -5
Word is circulating here in Arizona that the Storm 17's team that got 3rd at Far Westerns will be stripped of that bid. They had an 18's player (who was playing up) join the 17's for Reno. Only problem is, that's a no-no. Apparently, it's against the rules to add a player to your roster for a qualifier. Maybe someone else can explain how that works. That shouldn't be an issue, given the 18s season had concluded prior to Reno, releasing her from that team. As long as she met the age guidelines to play and was listed on their roster, it should be legal. There may be some stipulations to the timing, but I don't know exactly. This will be happening with a lot of 17s that are playing up and may join younger rosters after the conclusion of the 18s season. This is what I believe to be the case, but some others have made compelling arguments to the contrary. I am interested to see how this will play out.
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Post by jackson5vb on May 3, 2022 22:37:05 GMT -5
I wonder how many teams have done this in non Open divisions and no one even noticed. Does this also apply to Regional qualifiers?
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Post by itsallrelative on May 4, 2022 11:13:41 GMT -5
I wonder how many teams have done this in non Open divisions and no one even noticed. Does this also apply to Regional qualifiers? Yes, the frozen roster rule applies to Regional qualifiers---you can't help two teams qualify.
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Post by vbnt80s on May 4, 2022 13:23:04 GMT -5
They do have same player on 18 roster and the 17 far west Roster, so looks like they will get sanctioned
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Post by justahick on May 4, 2022 14:32:13 GMT -5
I wonder how many teams have done this in non Open divisions and no one even noticed. Does this also apply to Regional qualifiers? It likely gets automatically flagged by the USAV system as they are comiling rosters.
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Post by vbnt80s on May 4, 2022 16:55:01 GMT -5
If she wasnt on 18 roster at qualifiers And got added for 18gjnc Then should not be a problem to help 17 qualify She didnt help 2 teams qualify
If she was on qualifier roster for 18s then rule was broken
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Post by itsallrelative on May 5, 2022 7:17:48 GMT -5
I wonder how many teams have done this in non Open divisions and no one even noticed. Does this also apply to Regional qualifiers? It gets noticed IF you qualify....no matter the division.
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Post by uncommitted on May 5, 2022 17:22:28 GMT -5
If she wasnt on 18 roster at qualifiers And got added for 18gjnc Then should not be a problem to help 17 qualify She didnt help 2 teams qualify If she was on qualifier roster for 18s then rule was broken She played 18s all season including qualifiers then went to Reno qualifier with 17s
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Post by outlaw on May 5, 2022 18:27:01 GMT -5
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Post by zzyzx on May 7, 2022 13:26:34 GMT -5
If she wasnt on 18 roster at qualifiers And got added for 18gjnc Then should not be a problem to help 17 qualify She didnt help 2 teams qualify If she was on qualifier roster for 18s then rule was broken She played 18s all season including qualifiers then went to Reno qualifier with 17s It's official, there is 1 at large bid for 17Open.
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Post by eazy on May 7, 2022 13:35:56 GMT -5
She played 18s all season including qualifiers then went to Reno qualifier with 17s It's official, there is 1 at large bid for 17Open. I would love to see it go to Arizona Storm.
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Post by silverchloride on May 7, 2022 14:05:57 GMT -5
It's official, there is 1 at large bid for 17Open. I would love to see it go to Arizona Storm. Would it be different if Storm had already qualified? Last year at SCVA for the 17 Open, H Skyline had dropped their 18s down to play, but to the best of my knowledge they were not penalized after getting 2nd behind Sunshine LA (I believe they had already qualified).
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Post by justahick on May 7, 2022 14:26:07 GMT -5
I would love to see it go to Arizona Storm. Would it be different if Storm had already qualified? Last year at SCVA for the 17 Open, H Skyline had dropped their 18s down to play, but to the best of my knowledge they were not penalized after getting 2nd behind Sunshine LA (I believe they had already qualified). Probably - if the team already qualified, then they aren't competing for a bid. So, even if they were disqualified from the event where they used the ineligible players, they would still have the bid they earned previously. Perhaps there would be sanctions for the club, coaches, players involved for the roster violation, but I would think the bid would be safe.
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Post by jammaster on May 12, 2022 15:03:41 GMT -5
Would it be different if Storm had already qualified? Last year at SCVA for the 17 Open, H Skyline had dropped their 18s down to play, but to the best of my knowledge they were not penalized after getting 2nd behind Sunshine LA (I believe they had already qualified). Probably - if the team already qualified, then they aren't competing for a bid. So, even if they were disqualified from the event where they used the ineligible players, they would still have the bid they earned previously. Perhaps there would be sanctions for the club, coaches, players involved for the roster violation, but I would think the bid would be safe. But even if previously qualified, wouldn't you still be meddling with teams trying to get to the bid? If a team got bounced out of gold by Storm (say came in 3rd in a 4 team pool), they would have a right to be chappy.
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Post by stevehorn on May 12, 2022 16:17:18 GMT -5
Probably - if the team already qualified, then they aren't competing for a bid. So, even if they were disqualified from the event where they used the ineligible players, they would still have the bid they earned previously. Perhaps there would be sanctions for the club, coaches, players involved for the roster violation, but I would think the bid would be safe. But even if previously qualified, wouldn't you still be meddling with teams trying to get to the bid? If a team got bounced out of gold by Storm (say came in 3rd in a 4 team pool), they would have a right to be chappy. I know this is why the North Texas region doesn't allow teams with a bid to enter the Regional Bid tournament unless they can improve their bid and must cease play in the tournament once they can't improve their bid. Even then, people would sometimes get upset because that bid team could knock out others from getting a bid.
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