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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Feb 10, 2023 16:26:04 GMT -5
as an aside i ask, do you think there should be any berths given to world ranking at all or should berths only be awarded based on tournament performances?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 10, 2023 16:26:24 GMT -5
the individual matches themselves are good (Korea how could you SMH cancelled), but in the end, it's only a qualifying event and the best teams in the world are all partitioned into different groups. yea, but they won't be in pools of 3. I think volleyball is in a place now where 1-6 are more susceptible to 7-15 than they were previously too.
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Post by madden55 on Feb 10, 2023 16:27:55 GMT -5
as an aside i ask, do you think there should be any berths given to world ranking at all or should berths only be awarded based on tournament performances? maybe for like the top 3-4
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 10, 2023 16:28:17 GMT -5
as an aside i ask, do you think there should be any berths given to world ranking at all or should berths only be awarded based on tournament performances? in terms of the athletes: yea, i think they would benefit from less matches but from a sporting perspective: id rather the berths be given to the "top teams" (ex: World Championships 1-4) and the rest of the bids are played for between the rest of the teams. I think there's going to be minimal difference in teams 9-10-11-12 (or whoever qualifies)... and someone worthy might get left out without having played the team(s) above them.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Feb 10, 2023 16:31:39 GMT -5
as an aside i ask, do you think there should be any berths given to world ranking at all or should berths only be awarded based on tournament performances? maybe for like the top 3-4 as an aside i ask, do you think there should be any berths given to world ranking at all or should berths only be awarded based on tournament performances? in terms of the athletes: yea, i think they would benefit from less matches but from a sporting perspective: id rather the berths be given to the "top teams" (ex: World Championships 1-4) and the rest of the bids are played for between the rest of the teams. I think there's going to be minimal difference in teams 9-10-11-12 (or whoever qualifies)... and someone worthy might get left out without having played the team(s) above them. Oh look we all agree.
I was thinking maybe continental champions could get direct berth to olympics (so that's five - avc norceca csv cev africa -- this would also solve the question of the continental representative immediately) and the remaining six berths played for.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 10, 2023 16:33:45 GMT -5
Oh look we all agree.
I was thinking maybe continental champions could get direct berth to olympics (so that's five - avc norceca csv cev africa) and the remaining six berths played for.
that's probably one of the better solutions. something like the NORCECA championships are kinda obsolete now, other than ranking points.
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Post by madden55 on Feb 10, 2023 16:35:10 GMT -5
The ranking system is far from perfect but if you took the top 4 teams at any given point I don’t think there would be a situation where one of them wasn’t good enough for the Olympics
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 10, 2023 16:48:55 GMT -5
Germany, USA, and Australia joined the (important to note: governmental) ban Russian/Belarus group today (with Poland, Baltics, and Nordic countries) The USA was represented by the leader of the Department of State's Bureau of Education and Cultural Affairs. They are going to consult with the USOPC. They (the state) are in favor of an absolute ban on Russian/Belarussian participants. Japan, Greece, and France were the only ones who did not agree with an absolute ban. www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/ukraines-zelenskiy-took-part-meeting-olympics-lithuania-says-2023-02-10/
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Feb 10, 2023 17:03:05 GMT -5
I hope Thailand can be competitive and get a bid.
Lighting my candles already in preparation. 🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Feb 10, 2023 17:53:37 GMT -5
Germany, USA, and Australia joined the (important to note: governmental) ban Russian/Belarus group today (with Poland, Baltics, and Nordic countries) The USA was represented by the leader of the Department of State's Bureau of Education and Cultural Affairs. They are going to consult with the USOPC. They (the state) are in favor of an absolute ban on Russian/Belarussian participants. Japan, Greece, and France were the only ones who did not agree with an absolute ban. www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/ukraines-zelenskiy-took-part-meeting-olympics-lithuania-says-2023-02-10/IOC is looking pretty stupid considering that they were happy to ban the para-athletes from Beijing at the start of the war.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 10, 2023 17:56:43 GMT -5
Germany, USA, and Australia joined the (important to note: governmental) ban Russian/Belarus group today (with Poland, Baltics, and Nordic countries) The USA was represented by the leader of the Department of State's Bureau of Education and Cultural Affairs. They are going to consult with the USOPC. They (the state) are in favor of an absolute ban on Russian/Belarussian participants. Japan, Greece, and France were the only ones who did not agree with an absolute ban. www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/ukraines-zelenskiy-took-part-meeting-olympics-lithuania-says-2023-02-10/IOC is looking pretty stupid considering that they were happy to ban the para-athletes from Beijing at the start of the war. I don't think they were "happy" but more had no other options... (And Russia broke the Olympic truce too I believe) the collective olympic committees hold just as much, if not more power than the IOC itself in a situation like that. A Euro/USA led boycott would be disastrous for them.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Feb 10, 2023 17:57:40 GMT -5
Germany, USA, and Australia joined the (important to note: governmental) ban Russian/Belarus group today (with Poland, Baltics, and Nordic countries) The USA was represented by the leader of the Department of State's Bureau of Education and Cultural Affairs. They are going to consult with the USOPC. They (the state) are in favor of an absolute ban on Russian/Belarussian participants. Japan, Greece, and France were the only ones who did not agree with an absolute ban. www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/ukraines-zelenskiy-took-part-meeting-olympics-lithuania-says-2023-02-10/IOC is looking pretty stupid considering that they were happy to ban the para-athletes from Beijing at the start of the war. which, IMO, is worse than banning from the regular olympics considering the limited recognition para-athletes get and the limited nationalistic propaganda value their home nations get when they win medals.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Feb 10, 2023 18:00:02 GMT -5
IOC is looking pretty stupid considering that they were happy to ban the para-athletes from Beijing at the start of the war. I don't think they were "happy" but more had no other options... (And Russia broke the Olympic truce too I believe) the collective olympic committees hold just as much, if not more power than the IOC itself in a situation like that. A Euro/USA led boycott would be disastrous for them. right now, they could just continue the ban, and if any russian athletes want to participate do it under the true olympics flag.
not saying it's right, i don't think individual athletes should be held responsible for their country's wrongdoing, but at least it's consistent with the IOC's own stance from 2022. What makes them think the war would end in 2024?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 10, 2023 18:03:49 GMT -5
I don't think they were "happy" but more had no other options... (And Russia broke the Olympic truce too I believe) the collective olympic committees hold just as much, if not more power than the IOC itself in a situation like that. A Euro/USA led boycott would be disastrous for them. right now, they could just continue the ban, and if any russian athletes want to participate do it under the true olympics flag.
not saying it's right, i don't think individual athletes should be held responsible for their country's wrongdoing, but at least it's consistent with the IOC's own stance from 2022. What makes them think the war would end in 2024?
I think the fears from the officials would be we'd just get a ROC mess again... where its great value russia, instead of neutral competitors. (Which the only way they can really do that is to allow individuals and not teams to compete)... then they're going to encounter problems with the sports federations.... World Athletics said absolutely not to any Russians... are they gonna cherry pick which sports they can compete in? mess.
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Feb 10, 2023 18:06:37 GMT -5
are they gonna cherry pick which sports they can compete in? mess. were the russians not banned from athletics in Rio (but not other disciplines) because of doping? so i think that is very much possible
sorry for ninja edit
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