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Post by oldnewbie on Jun 19, 2024 11:29:03 GMT -5
Happy Juneteenth 2024! A significant holiday that's not given much significance. imo When a certain idiot here claimed that blacks are flocking to Trump because "They also don’t like woke crap shoved down their throat." I just shook my head and laughed, because to anti-woke Republican leaders like Trump and Desantis and Abbott and Tuberville, et al, Juneteenth, Black Wall Street and Rosewood are what they are trying to repress, because it makes their Dixie flag waving, confederate statue loving MAGA supporters "uncomfortable".
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 19, 2024 11:39:18 GMT -5
Quite the list of books. Some I'm less drawn to than others but overall, not a bad place to start for anyone wanting to expand their understanding of the perspectives of some African Americans. The Warmth of Other Suns and A Little Devil in America are the two that caught my eye the most.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 19, 2024 11:47:20 GMT -5
Happy Juneteenth 2024! A significant holiday that's not given much significance. imo When a certain idiot here claimed that blacks are flocking to Trump because "They also don’t like woke crap shoved down their throat." I just shook my head and laughed, because to anti-woke Republican leaders like Trump and Desantis and Abbott and Tuberville, et al, Juneteenth, Black Wall Street and Rosewood are what they are trying to repress, because it makes their Dixie flag waving, confederate statue loving MAGA supporters "uncomfortable". I've often said that the Republican Party has a problem more so with people who have different experiences than the majority of the Party, than with people who look different to the majority of the Party. It's the reason that they are "comfortable" with a Tim Scott rather than a Sonnie Johnson. I don't expect Trump or DeSantis to start listening to Jay-Z recordings, but they need to recognize that he has a similar entrepreneurial spirit and they should be able to find common ground there. That and Republicans can't expect to make tepid overtures once every 2-4 years to the people they ignore the rest of the time.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jun 19, 2024 11:55:16 GMT -5
In honor of Juneteenth, which shoulda been Zora Neal Hurston Day... I'm going to go with Ida B. Wells day, a true badass. Refused to give up her seat on the train 72 years before Rosa Parks, in 1883. This story was just the tip of the iceberg. She was truly an incredible badass. From wiki: When Wells refused to give up her seat on September 15,1883 the conductor and two men dragged her out of the car. Wells gained publicity in Memphis when she wrote a newspaper article for The Living Way, a Black church weekly, about her treatment on the train. In Memphis, she hired an African-American attorney to sue the railroad. When her lawyer was paid off by the railroad,[18] she hired a white attorney. Wells won her case on December 24, 1884, when the local circuit court granted her a $500 (~$16,956 in 2023) award. The railroad company appealed to the Tennessee Supreme Court, which reversed the lower court's ruling in 1887. It concluded: "We think it is evident that the purpose of the defendant in error was to harass with a view to this suit, and that her persistence was not in good faith to obtain a comfortable seat for the short ride."[19] Wells was ordered to pay court costs. Her reaction to the higher court's decision revealed her strong convictions on civil rights and religious faith, as she responded: "I felt so disappointed because I had hoped such great things from my suit for my people. ... O God, is there no ... justice in this land for us?"
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Post by oldnewbie on Jun 19, 2024 12:01:34 GMT -5
... That and Republicans can't expect to make tepid overtures once every 2-4 years to the people they ignore the rest of the time. I think that is true of Republicans in urban areas and Democrats in rural areas, though it seems like Republicans actively vilify cities and at times try to punish them by threatening to withhold funds, while Democrats do a better job of actually implementing policies that help rural areas but don't reach out and promote it well. Either way, they both need to do better and they both need to stop telling everyone that the sides are completely different and "only one can win"
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 19, 2024 13:08:42 GMT -5
In honor of Juneteenth, which shoulda been Zora Neal Hurston Day... I'm going to go with Ida B. Wells day, a true badass. Refused to give up her seat on the train 72 years before Rosa Parks, in 1883. I will most respectfully say, that is not what Juneteenth is about.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jun 19, 2024 15:48:28 GMT -5
I'm going to go with Ida B. Wells day, a true badass. Refused to give up her seat on the train 72 years before Rosa Parks, in 1883. I will most respectfully say, that is not what Juneteenth is about. In particular I was responding to the Zora Neal Hurston post, but have you actually looked to see what Wells did? I literally learned of her just within the past few years because of Juneteenth articles that celebrated her, the work she did and the incredible impact she had. An example from 2022: Remembering Ida B. Wells, truth-teller, at Juneteenth... I have long ap-preciated the heroism of journalists who bring the truth to light – as an essential function of maintaining our democracy. And so the remarkable story of Ida B. Wells, which we presented on Humankind in a 2019 public radio documentary, deserves special attention at this time when we observe Juneteenth. In 2021 it became a federal holiday to honor the enslaved Americans who were emancipated by President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War. Ida Wells was born to enslaved parents on a plantation at Holly Springs, Mississippi in 1862 as the U.S. Civil War raged. Her father, James Wells, a carpenter, became politically active as a freedman in central Mississippi during Reconstruction – a role model for his daughter’s budding social consciousness. James and his friends could not read (it was actually illegal for enslaved people to become literate), so after the war it fell to Ida to read newspapers aloud to these adults, who would gather to listen, in their hunger for knowledge about the world around them. Thus the power of journalism was imprinted on young Ida B. Wells. Although quite unusual at that time for any woman, let alone an African American woman, she embarked on a career as journalist. (In 2020, 89 years after her death in Chicago, to which she resettled, Ida B. Well was awarded a posthumous Pulitzer Prize.) In the years following the liberation of four million black people in the United States, the crime of lynching became more widespread in the American south, but also elsewhere (peaking in the late 1800s, but continuing well into the 20th century). These were acts of white supremacist domestic terrorism intended to stifle African Americans who sought to exercise their constitutional right to vote and to improve their economic circumstances. Ida Wells felt called to document this monstrous practice – even as many Americans were in denial about it – and to publish her reportage. By age 29, Ida became part-owner of the Memphis Free Speech newspaper, which would reach a post-bellum audience of black readers. “She’s like about five feet tall,” commented Paula Giddings, professor emerita of Africana Studies at Smith College and author of Ida: A Sword Among Lions, the major biography of Ida B. Wells. “She’s a tiny woman. And she starts just traveling alone. She’s traveling to the sites of lynchings, she’s interviewing eyewitnesses, she begins to put together statistics.” Wells chronicled the horrors of hangings, burnings and other acts of violence that shocked the conscience. Many of these lynchings used a pretext that black men had abused white women. But as told to me by celebrated Yale historian David Blight: “We now know, from deep study of this from the 1880s on through into the early 20th cen-tury, that the vast, vast majority of the claims of rape, or sexual abuse, harassment – we’d use a term like harassment today – made against black men, hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds of black men, from the 1880s into the early 20th century were fabrications.” ...
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 19, 2024 16:28:02 GMT -5
I will most respectfully say, that is not what Juneteenth is about. In particular I was responding to the Zora Neal Hurston post, but have you actually looked to see what Wells did? I literally learned of her just within the past few years because of Juneteenth articles that celebrated her, the work she did and the incredible impact she had. An example from 2022: Remembering Ida B. Wells, truth-teller, at Juneteenth... I have long ap-preciated the heroism of journalists who bring the truth to light – as an essential function of maintaining our democracy. And so the remarkable story of Ida B. Wells, which we presented on Humankind in a 2019 public radio documentary, deserves special attention at this time when we observe Juneteenth. In 2021 it became a federal holiday to honor the enslaved Americans who were emancipated by President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War. Ida Wells was born to enslaved parents on a plantation at Holly Springs, Mississippi in 1862 as the U.S. Civil War raged. Her father, James Wells, a carpenter, became politically active as a freedman in central Mississippi during Reconstruction – a role model for his daughter’s budding social consciousness. James and his friends could not read (it was actually illegal for enslaved people to become literate), so after the war it fell to Ida to read newspapers aloud to these adults, who would gather to listen, in their hunger for knowledge about the world around them. Thus the power of journalism was imprinted on young Ida B. Wells. Although quite unusual at that time for any woman, let alone an African American woman, she embarked on a career as journalist. (In 2020, 89 years after her death in Chicago, to which she resettled, Ida B. Well was awarded a posthumous Pulitzer Prize.) In the years following the liberation of four million black people in the United States, the crime of lynching became more widespread in the American south, but also elsewhere (peaking in the late 1800s, but continuing well into the 20th century). These were acts of white supremacist domestic terrorism intended to stifle African Americans who sought to exercise their constitutional right to vote and to improve their economic circumstances. Ida Wells felt called to document this monstrous practice – even as many Americans were in denial about it – and to publish her reportage. By age 29, Ida became part-owner of the Memphis Free Speech newspaper, which would reach a post-bellum audience of black readers. “She’s like about five feet tall,” commented Paula Giddings, professor emerita of Africana Studies at Smith College and author of Ida: A Sword Among Lions, the major biography of Ida B. Wells. “She’s a tiny woman. And she starts just traveling alone. She’s traveling to the sites of lynchings, she’s interviewing eyewitnesses, she begins to put together statistics.” Wells chronicled the horrors of hangings, burnings and other acts of violence that shocked the conscience. Many of these lynchings used a pretext that black men had abused white women. But as told to me by celebrated Yale historian David Blight: “We now know, from deep study of this from the 1880s on through into the early 20th cen-tury, that the vast, vast majority of the claims of rape, or sexual abuse, harassment – we’d use a term like harassment today – made against black men, hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds of black men, from the 1880s into the early 20th century were fabrications.” ... Thank you for sharing her story.
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Post by T Gap on Jun 19, 2024 18:17:25 GMT -5
Happy Juneteenth!
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Post by aardvark on Jun 19, 2024 18:49:36 GMT -5
That and Republicans can't expect to make tepid overtures once every 2-4 years to the people they ignore the rest of the time. Ignore? They don't ignore them. They abuse them. As an example, see how Frank equates the BLM movement with an insurrection.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 20, 2024 2:13:09 GMT -5
That and Republicans can't expect to make tepid overtures once every 2-4 years to the people they ignore the rest of the time. Ignore? They don't ignore them. They abuse them. As an example, see how Frank equates the BLM movement with an insurrection. My mention of Republicans was in regard to the party. It would be a mistake to conflate Frank with the whole Republican Party.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 20, 2024 4:09:08 GMT -5
I used Frank as an example. This is cherry picking if he's not representative of the overall sentiment of the GOP.
On this issue, the treatment of blacks, is he?
I say the Republican party as a whole regularly abuses black people. I'm speaking since LBJ was President. Don't let Holiday talk about Lincoln.
Do you disagree?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 20, 2024 15:26:32 GMT -5
I used Frank as an example. This is cherry picking if he's not representative of the overall sentiment of the GOP. On this issue, the treatment of blacks, is he? I say the Republican party as a whole regularly abuses black people. I'm speaking since LBJ was President. Don't let Holiday talk about Lincoln. Do you disagree? Yeah I do, unless you count ignoring them and refusing to understand their culture as abuse. If you listen to the frustration of Black people, it's with both parties and stronger against the Republican Party.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 20, 2024 15:41:02 GMT -5
It's not just ignoring them. Look at DEI, for example. Republicans have thwarted it in their states. Blacks in those states now become more disadvantaged, since they lack those programs to help them overcome the systemic bias against them.
By Republicans, mostly.
Or the BLM movement, spawned off the death of George Floyd and others. GOP efforts managed to lay the blame of "cities burning down" on BLM, and deprive blacks from gaining the sympathy to push forward with real lasting changes. If anything, they seem to have lost ground.
Or stand your ground laws. They are supposedly color free. Nowhere does it mention the color of people's skin. But in court, a white guy with a gun can shoot the unarmed black guy to death and get off. Does that happen if you reverse the skin color? I haven't seen it yet.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 20, 2024 15:59:37 GMT -5
Vark is lamenting the loss of traction that BLM had but, I don't remember them receiving any substantiative support from a Democratic Party owned government for two years. Maybe they did and I forgot. Also, the discovered corruption of BLM leaders probably kneecapped them and hindered their efforts more than either political party.
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