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Post by aardvark on Jun 23, 2024 9:12:14 GMT -5
You choose to stay silent whenever Holiday or Frank bad-mouths them. Frank said their protests in Minneapolis were equivalent to the Jan 6 insurrection (he actually said the BLM event was worse). This will come as a shock to you, but I don't read most of what Frank posts and I don't read everything HOLIDAY posts either. Do you really think that people who supported BLM, were swayed by right-wing media? I'm fairly confident that if you drew up a Venn diagram, with one set being BLM supporters and the other set being right-wing media consumers, the set in the middle would not have a huge representation. What mattered to me, was watching people from my adopted community, looting and burning down buildings at night while chanting the same BLM slogans that were heard in the daytime. I'm sure if you were to ask those African Americans if they were a part of the Black Lives Matter movement, they would say "Hell yes!" As a Black conservative, there are probably many areas in which the leaders of the BLM movement and I don't see eye to eye. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I'm sure they won't either. I'm sure that fancy mansion of theirs has quite comfortable beds. I mentioned Frank equating BLM to an insurrection on page 2 of this thread. You responded to that post to say it would be a mistake to conflate Frank with the whole of the Republican party. You did not deny my assertion, which I took to be a sign of familiarity with what he said. Only... now you are casting doubt on whether or not you read what Frank said. So let's clear this up: Did you read any of Frank's many comments that equated the BLM to an insurrection? If the answer is yes, did you bother to question or disagree with him? My comment about BLM support refers to the very first section about BLM in Wikipedia, which included these sentences: The popularity of Black Lives Matter has shifted over time, largely due to changing perceptions among white Americans. In 2020, 67% of adults in the United States expressed support for the movement, declining to 51% of U.S. adults in 2023. I have already noted to you that according to the Wikipedia entry for the "George Floyd protests", the majority of those charged with rioting and arson in Minneapolis during the BLM protests were white. That entry went further and pointed out one such guy was a member of a far-right group that was trying to pin the blame for the arson on BLM. Also according to Wikipedia, the overwhelming number of BLM protests have been entirely peaceful. You seem to be in a rush to ignore all of this that I added to this thread and instead cling to the idea that BLM are bad guys who buy fancy mansions (unlike the leader of your party). Well, since you don't seem to be bothering to read either of these Wikipedia entries on this, I'll leave you with one more quote, the opening sentence of the BLM entry: Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement that seeks to highlight racism, discrimination, and racial inequality experienced by black people and to promote anti-racism. Its primary concerns are police brutality and racially motivated violence against black people. Yeah. I can understand why you wouldn't see eye to eye with that.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jun 23, 2024 10:22:10 GMT -5
Sort of like all the Columbia students that were let go with a little slap on the wrist even when they held a janitor against hid will? Spoiled !!!!###$$$!!!ing rich brats. An embarrassment to their parents. And those faculty members participating should’ve been fired immediately. You Democrats are worthless. You’re crying and whining about Columbia and a janitor and faculty members protesting, wanting them fired, but people dying and being injured on January 6th and the president and members of Congress that orchestrated all that, you treat that like it’s nothing. You haven’t called for any of them to be fired. In fact you want the leader of that to be President. Oh geez, you big old drama queen. Yes, anyone that commandeers a building and holds someone against their will is the same caliber as as the so called insurrection you !!!!###$$$!!!ing idiot.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 23, 2024 10:27:46 GMT -5
You’re crying and whining about Columbia and a janitor and faculty members protesting, wanting them fired, but people dying and being injured on January 6th and the president and members of Congress that orchestrated all that, you treat that like it’s nothing. You haven’t called for any of them to be fired. In fact you want the leader of that to be President. Oh geez, you big old drama queen. Yes, anyone that commandeers a building and holds someone against their will is the same caliber as as the so called insurrection you !!!!###$$$!!!ing idiot. Are you really this stupid? Yes, yes you are.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jun 23, 2024 10:41:36 GMT -5
Oh geez, you big old drama queen. Yes, anyone that commandeers a building and holds someone against their will is the same caliber as as the so called insurrection you !!!!###$$$!!!ing idiot. Are you really this stupid? Yes, yes you are. We are all aware of the big double standard when it comes to what Democrats think about crime. I remember the looting and destroying the businesses after George Floyd and you people made excuses till the cows come out. So this is no big surprise.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 23, 2024 10:45:29 GMT -5
Are you really this stupid? Yes, yes you are. We are all aware of the big double standard when it comes to what Democrats think about crime. I remember the looting and destroying the businesses after George Floyd and you people made excuses till the cows come out. So this is no big surprise. They were just tourists, huh? No one is saying that about BLM or the Columbia protestors. Of course, you know the difference—you’re just a hypocrite.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 23, 2024 13:45:41 GMT -5
This will come as a shock to you, but I don't read most of what Frank posts and I don't read everything HOLIDAY posts either. Do you really think that people who supported BLM, were swayed by right-wing media? I'm fairly confident that if you drew up a Venn diagram, with one set being BLM supporters and the other set being right-wing media consumers, the set in the middle would not have a huge representation. What mattered to me, was watching people from my adopted community, looting and burning down buildings at night while chanting the same BLM slogans that were heard in the daytime. I'm sure if you were to ask those African Americans if they were a part of the Black Lives Matter movement, they would say "Hell yes!" As a Black conservative, there are probably many areas in which the leaders of the BLM movement and I don't see eye to eye. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I'm sure they won't either. I'm sure that fancy mansion of theirs has quite comfortable beds. I mentioned Frank equating BLM to an insurrection on page 2 of this thread. You responded to that post to say it would be a mistake to conflate Frank with the whole of the Republican party. You did not deny my assertion, which I took to be a sign of familiarity with what he said. Only... now you are casting doubt on whether or not you read what Frank said. So let's clear this up: Did you read any of Frank's many comments that equated the BLM to an insurrection? If the answer is yes, did you bother to question or disagree with him? My comment about BLM support refers to the very first section about BLM in Wikipedia, which included these sentences: The popularity of Black Lives Matter has shifted over time, largely due to changing perceptions among white Americans. In 2020, 67% of adults in the United States expressed support for the movement, declining to 51% of U.S. adults in 2023. I have already noted to you that according to the Wikipedia entry for the "George Floyd protests", the majority of those charged with rioting and arson in Minneapolis during the BLM protests were white. That entry went further and pointed out one such guy was a member of a far-right group that was trying to pin the blame for the arson on BLM. Also according to Wikipedia, the overwhelming number of BLM protests have been entirely peaceful. You seem to be in a rush to ignore all of this that I added to this thread and instead cling to the idea that BLM are bad guys who buy fancy mansions (unlike the leader of your party). Well, since you don't seem to be bothering to read either of these Wikipedia entries on this, I'll leave you with one more quote, the opening sentence of the BLM entry: Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement that seeks to highlight racism, discrimination, and racial inequality experienced by black people and to promote anti-racism. Its primary concerns are police brutality and racially motivated violence against black people. Yeah. I can understand why you wouldn't see eye to eye with that. I've read enough of Frank's comments to know that whatever he says shouldn't be equated as him being the spokesperson for the GOP. I didn't see that he equated BLM with J6. The only parallel, I can see, would be that people at both events took what started as a protest and bastardized it into a riot. Nowhere in that statement that you took from Wiki indicates that right-wing media is the reason White Americans' support of BLM has waned. The so-called "Leader of my party" didn't buy fancy mansions with the donations of his supporters (to the best of my knowledge). My not seeing eye to eye with the leaders of BLM and how they choose to "promote" their message is not the same as not seeing eye to eye with their objective. Something else that you've, not surprisingly, conflated.
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Post by BearClause on Jun 23, 2024 14:13:53 GMT -5
I mentioned Frank equating BLM to an insurrection on page 2 of this thread. You responded to that post to say it would be a mistake to conflate Frank with the whole of the Republican party. You did not deny my assertion, which I took to be a sign of familiarity with what he said. Only... now you are casting doubt on whether or not you read what Frank said. So let's clear this up: Did you read any of Frank's many comments that equated the BLM to an insurrection? If the answer is yes, did you bother to question or disagree with him? My comment about BLM support refers to the very first section about BLM in Wikipedia, which included these sentences: The popularity of Black Lives Matter has shifted over time, largely due to changing perceptions among white Americans. In 2020, 67% of adults in the United States expressed support for the movement, declining to 51% of U.S. adults in 2023. I have already noted to you that according to the Wikipedia entry for the "George Floyd protests", the majority of those charged with rioting and arson in Minneapolis during the BLM protests were white. That entry went further and pointed out one such guy was a member of a far-right group that was trying to pin the blame for the arson on BLM. Also according to Wikipedia, the overwhelming number of BLM protests have been entirely peaceful. You seem to be in a rush to ignore all of this that I added to this thread and instead cling to the idea that BLM are bad guys who buy fancy mansions (unlike the leader of your party). Well, since you don't seem to be bothering to read either of these Wikipedia entries on this, I'll leave you with one more quote, the opening sentence of the BLM entry: Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement that seeks to highlight racism, discrimination, and racial inequality experienced by black people and to promote anti-racism. Its primary concerns are police brutality and racially motivated violence against black people. Yeah. I can understand why you wouldn't see eye to eye with that. I've read enough of Frank's comments to know that whatever he says shouldn't be equated as him being the spokesperson for the GOP. I didn't see that he equated BLM with J6. The only parallel, I can see, would be that people at both events took what started as a protest and bastardized it into a riot. Nowhere in that statement that you took from Wiki indicates that right-wing media is the reason White Americans' support of BLM has waned. The so-called "Leader of my party" didn't buy fancy mansions with the donations of his supporters (to the best of my knowledge). My not seeing eye to eye with the leaders of BLM and how they choose to "promote" their message is not the same as not seeing eye to eye with their objective. Something else that you've, not surprisingly, conflated. I dunno. Funneling donations in his own businesses and personal/business legal defense isn’t exactly kosher to me. I can’t support anyone using violence or looting and calling it a protest. But those don’t really achieve anything more than chaos. On Jan 6 there were specific leaders looking for a breach of the proceedings to try and interfere with the process. Not sure exactly how they thought it would work once the dust settled, but prosecutions have uncovered plans to try and break in to stop the counting of electoral certificates.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 23, 2024 14:37:34 GMT -5
I've read enough of Frank's comments to know that whatever he says shouldn't be equated as him being the spokesperson for the GOP. I didn't see that he equated BLM with J6. The only parallel, I can see, would be that people at both events took what started as a protest and bastardized it into a riot. Nowhere in that statement that you took from Wiki indicates that right-wing media is the reason White Americans' support of BLM has waned. The so-called "Leader of my party" didn't buy fancy mansions with the donations of his supporters (to the best of my knowledge). My not seeing eye to eye with the leaders of BLM and how they choose to "promote" their message is not the same as not seeing eye to eye with their objective. Something else that you've, not surprisingly, conflated. I wouldn't say Frank "equated" BLM and Jan 6th. He called BLM an insurrection (a label he did not apply to Jan 6th), and said it was worse than Jan 6th, pointing to "cities burning down". My mention of equivalence derived from Frank bringing up BLM in response to taking heat on Jan 6th. Edit: I'm speaking of the thread titled "Election Denier", which is now on page 2 of this forum. Frank mentions BLM on page 2 of that thread, and the thread continues for 10 more pages. BLM tried to protest peaceably, just as they had done many times before. Arson broke out. The right-wing media expended great effort to tie the damages that happened during the BLM protest to the BLM themselves. They did this in the usual way, by showing film of burning and looting in the same breath as they talked about the BLM. The problem is, that afterwards there doesn't seem to be much of a connection between the people who got caught and BLM. So why should they get the blame? It is true that the Wikipedia article does not say that the loss of support for the BLM among white people was due to the right-wing media. You have to use your brain here. If the group's name is normally associated in the media with protests over black citizens getting unfairly killed by policemen, and then suddenly a period occurs where their name is associated with arson and looting, then you should be able to realize that there is a linkage. As for the mansion, take note of the length of the Wikipedia entry on the BLM, and how little is devoted to the mansion. It's small potatoes. You are making a mountain out of a molehill in pushing that line and not giving them credit for the good things they've done. Yes, you indeed are sullying their reputation. It's a choice. And not a particularly good one, in my opinion. I'm not aware of any donations to Trump being used to buy mansions. On the other hand, donations to him have been used towards handling his legal fees, so he could stall out the trials for as many of his indictments as possible until after the election. This seems worse to me. Trump even redirected monies meant for the GOP as a whole to his legal fees. Once those lawyers get paid, the money is gone. But that BLM mansion can always be sold. So why are you fixated on it?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 23, 2024 15:02:42 GMT -5
It's really something that people can't tell the difference between a street level organized movement and a nonprofit set up to grift off that movement.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jun 23, 2024 21:44:22 GMT -5
It's really something that people can't tell the difference between a street level organized movement and a nonprofit set up to grift off that movement. You mean like Joe raising money off of Donald Trump’s conviction? That’s a grifter.
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Post by jsquare on Jun 23, 2024 21:48:30 GMT -5
It's really something that people can't tell the difference between a street level organized movement and a nonprofit set up to grift off that movement. You mean like Joe raising money off of Donald Trump’s conviction? That’s a grifter. So Biden making money off Trump's conviction is grifting but Trump making money on Trump's conviction is just "good business?" HUH
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jun 23, 2024 21:50:14 GMT -5
You mean like Joe raising money off of Donald Trump’s conviction? That’s a grifter. So Biden making money off Trump's conviction is grifting but Trump making money one Trump's conviction is just "good business?" HUH Has anyone found Joe yet? He was wondering around the White House lawn.
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Post by jsquare on Jun 23, 2024 21:51:43 GMT -5
So Biden making money off Trump's conviction is grifting but Trump making money one Trump's conviction is just "good business?" HUH Has anyone found Joe yet? He was wondering around the White House lawn. Ya, Biden is in the White House where the PRESIDENT belongs. Trump is on his way to prison.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 23, 2024 21:56:06 GMT -5
It's really something that people can't tell the difference between a street level organized movement and a nonprofit set up to grift off that movement. You mean like Joe raising money off of Donald Trump’s conviction? That’s a grifter. Yeah, that's sooo terrible. You should send more money to Trump. Better yet, sell everything and send it all to Trump.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 23, 2024 21:57:27 GMT -5
So Biden making money off Trump's conviction is grifting but Trump making money one Trump's conviction is just "good business?" HUH Has anyone found Joe yet? He was wondering around the White House lawn. Yeah, we should get him an ankle monitoring bracelet like Trump will have very soon.
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