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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 21, 2024 11:47:10 GMT -5
Yep, this is why I don't necessarily like Juneteenth being used to highlight the stories of other Black trailblazers. The meaning behind Juneteenth gets lost along with the fact that this isn't about "Black history" this is American history. I disagree. Two questions: 1) When did Lincoln sign the Emancipation Proclamation to free the slaves, and how do we commemorate it? 2) When did the Civil War officially end, and how do we commemorate it? Answer is, of course, we don't. 156 years after the fact, we finally had Juneteenth, and THAT is over the top for some. I have zero sympathy for anyone that wants to pretend that 100 years of institutional oppression didn't occur after the war, that began with lynchings and massacres. That, of course, was followed by another 50 years of plain old-fashioned non-institutional racism and oppression. I have zero sympathy for this asshat and propose we do nothing to spare her poor, delicate feelings. The history needs to be confronted and dealt with, and Juneteenth is the mechanism to do that. I do agree that the injustices found in Black history need to be acknowledged and not swept under the rug. I prefer to establish and celebrate Juneteenth for what it is rather than dilute it with the injustices you mentioned. There is a time and place for those but first let’s get everyone understanding Juneteenth and its significance. I don’t suggest sparing anyone’s feelings, but education through conversation seems a better way to go rather than name calling. Especially when that person shares the same POC banner that I do.🤷🏾♂️
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 21, 2024 12:06:09 GMT -5
Where are you going with this? The Wikipedia entry for BLM makes it clear that they are a decentralized organization, composed of many mostly independent subgroups. Any corruption that exists will likely be confined to that subgroup. Because I'm at work right now, I can only see the names of your links, not their content. Going by that alone, the NBC news link is an accusation, and your other source is the NY Post. I prefer my one source to your two, in this case. In any event, you seem to be showing a desire to sully the reputation of the BLM, even though their stated goal is to get society to treat people like you better. Why? I guess the question could be: Am I sullying the reputation of BLM or highlighting that it’s not as pristine as one might think? I have a hard time with the organization mainly because it seems to me that their protest became a gateway for riots and destruction in Minneapolis. That and, like an ambulance chasing lawyer, they only seem to be present when they have the opportunity for the most media visibility. Hopefully they are, behind the scenes, actively working to improve living conditions, test scores, graduating rates, and so much more for African Americans but cynically I wonder.
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Post by BearClause on Jun 21, 2024 12:21:50 GMT -5
Where are you going with this? The Wikipedia entry for BLM makes it clear that they are a decentralized organization, composed of many mostly independent subgroups. Any corruption that exists will likely be confined to that subgroup. Because I'm at work right now, I can only see the names of your links, not their content. Going by that alone, the NBC news link is an accusation, and your other source is the NY Post. I prefer my one source to your two, in this case. In any event, you seem to be showing a desire to sully the reputation of the BLM, even though their stated goal is to get society to treat people like you better. Why? I guess the question could be: Am I sullying the reputation of BLM or highlighting that it’s not as pristine as one might think? I have a hard time with the organization mainly because it seems to me that their protest became a gateway for riots and destruction in Minneapolis. That and, like an ambulance chasing lawyer, they only seem to be present when they have the opportunity for the most media visibility. Hopefully they are, behind the scenes, actively working to improve living conditions, test scores, graduating rates, and so much more for African Americans but cynically I wonder. BLM isn't really an orgznization per se, but more a movement that has no central organization. There are a lot of players who might not really be interested in the mission, but are just looking to cause chaos.
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Post by oldnewbie on Jun 21, 2024 17:57:13 GMT -5
I disagree. Two questions: 1) When did Lincoln sign the Emancipation Proclamation to free the slaves, and how do we commemorate it? 2) When did the Civil War officially end, and how do we commemorate it? Answer is, of course, we don't. 156 years after the fact, we finally had Juneteenth, and THAT is over the top for some. I have zero sympathy for anyone that wants to pretend that 100 years of institutional oppression didn't occur after the war, that began with lynchings and massacres. That, of course, was followed by another 50 years of plain old-fashioned non-institutional racism and oppression. I have zero sympathy for this asshat and propose we do nothing to spare her poor, delicate feelings. The history needs to be confronted and dealt with, and Juneteenth is the mechanism to do that. I do agree that the injustices found in Black history need to be acknowledged and not swept under the rug. I prefer to establish and celebrate Juneteenth for what it is rather than dilute it with the injustices you mentioned. There is a time and place for those but first let’s get everyone understanding Juneteenth and its significance. I don’t suggest sparing anyone’s feelings, but education through conversation seems a better way to go rather than name calling. Especially when that person shares the same POC banner that I do.🤷🏾♂️ Gomez is intentionally race-baiting in Missouri to throw red meat to her base, and is not interested in conversation. The very fact that Gomez can gain attention and she thinks her racist schtick will get her elected, is reason not to bury this as it has been buried for the last 150 years. What tiny sliver are you trying to narrow this too? Ignore the Civil War, because it had ended? Ignore slavery in the South, because it had ended? Ignore the reason there were so many slaves in Texas in the first place, because wealthy Southerners were moving their "property" someplace it would be safe from the war? Ignore the two decades of terrorist acts committed against newly freed slaves, including those lynchings, to keep them in their place? History in the South has intentionally sanitized those events for 150 years. I'm not talking about civil rights 100 years later, I am talking about events of 10-20 years leading up to, and the impact on the 10-20 years immediately after Juneteenth. That IS the conversation. The fact that is too much for Gomez speaks volumes for NOT burying it.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jun 21, 2024 22:29:08 GMT -5
Sort of like all the Columbia students that were let go with a little slap on the wrist even when they held a janitor against hid will? Spoiled !!!!###$$$!!!ing rich brats. An embarrassment to their parents. And those faculty members participating should’ve been fired immediately. You Democrats are worthless.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jun 21, 2024 22:47:33 GMT -5
Sort of like all the Columbia students that were let go with a little slap on the wrist even when they held a janitor against hid will? Spoiled !!!!###$$$!!!ing rich brats. An embarrassment to their parents. And those faculty members participating should’ve been fired immediately. You Democrats are worthless. Blah blah boring non sequitur blah blah
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 21, 2024 22:49:48 GMT -5
Sort of like all the Columbia students that were let go with a little slap on the wrist even when they held a janitor against hid will? Spoiled !!!!###$$$!!!ing rich brats. An embarrassment to their parents. And those faculty members participating should’ve been fired immediately. You Democrats are worthless. If anyone knows anything about being an embarassment to their parents, it would be you.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jun 22, 2024 6:51:36 GMT -5
Sort of like all the Columbia students that were let go with a little slap on the wrist even when they held a janitor against hid will? Spoiled !!!!###$$$!!!ing rich brats. An embarrassment to their parents. And those faculty members participating should’ve been fired immediately. You Democrats are worthless. Blah blah boring non sequitur blah blah If you a$$ wipes ever need a proof of just how screwed up the justice system is in New York, this is a perfect example. The people that literally roughed up Jewish kids and held the janitor against his will and took over the school destroying property. have no charges but yet Donald Trump 74-year-old CEO is in Rykers prison For not sharing on his taxes that he rented a car. What a bunch of corrupt bastard you people are. You should be so proud.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jun 22, 2024 6:52:06 GMT -5
Sort of like all the Columbia students that were let go with a little slap on the wrist even when they held a janitor against hid will? Spoiled !!!!###$$$!!!ing rich brats. An embarrassment to their parents. And those faculty members participating should’ve been fired immediately. You Democrats are worthless. If anyone knows anything about being an embarassment to their parents, it would be you. L O L, coming from a son of a bitch like you that’s a compliment.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 22, 2024 8:56:00 GMT -5
I do agree that the injustices found in Black history need to be acknowledged and not swept under the rug. I prefer to establish and celebrate Juneteenth for what it is rather than dilute it with the injustices you mentioned. There is a time and place for those but first let’s get everyone understanding Juneteenth and its significance. I don’t suggest sparing anyone’s feelings, but education through conversation seems a better way to go rather than name calling. Especially when that person shares the same POC banner that I do.🤷🏾♂️ Gomez is intentionally race-baiting in Missouri to throw red meat to her base, and is not interested in conversation. The very fact that Gomez can gain attention and she thinks her racist schtick will get her elected, is reason not to bury this as it has been buried for the last 150 years. What tiny sliver are you trying to narrow this too? Ignore the Civil War, because it had ended? Ignore slavery in the South, because it had ended? Ignore the reason there were so many slaves in Texas in the first place, because wealthy Southerners were moving their "property" someplace it would be safe from the war? Ignore the two decades of terrorist acts committed against newly freed slaves, including those lynchings, to keep them in their place? History in the South has intentionally sanitized those events for 150 years. I'm not talking about civil rights 100 years later, I am talking about events of 10-20 years leading up to, and the impact on the 10-20 years immediately after Juneteenth. That IS the conversation. The fact that is too much for Gomez speaks volumes for NOT burying it. It's not about trying to narrow the scope or significance of Juneteenth, it's about making sure as many people as possible know the true meaning of Juneteenth. When ignorant people like Gomez are educated, they can't rely on their "racist schtick" because it then becomes an untruth. All I'm saying is that the foundation from which you want to build upon (And by all means, please do! All that you mentioned is a necessary part of the conversation.) is shaky and needs to be settled first. That way the uninformed don't just think of it as day where they got time and a half at work or see it as a "Black person's July 4th". It's kind of the same as when people joke/complain about Black History Month being the shortest month of the year, but them not knowing WHY February was chosen.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jun 22, 2024 11:26:49 GMT -5
Blah blah boring non sequitur blah blah If you a$$ wipes ever need a proof of just how screwed up the justice system is in New York, this is a perfect example. The people that literally roughed up Jewish kids and held the janitor against his will and took over the school destroying property. have no charges but yet Donald Trump 74-year-old CEO is in Rykers prison For not sharing on his taxes that he rented a car. What a bunch of corrupt bastard you people are. You should be so proud. Neat, then why don’t you start a thread about it and leave this one to the topic at hand.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 22, 2024 17:17:13 GMT -5
Where are you going with this? The Wikipedia entry for BLM makes it clear that they are a decentralized organization, composed of many mostly independent subgroups. Any corruption that exists will likely be confined to that subgroup. Because I'm at work right now, I can only see the names of your links, not their content. Going by that alone, the NBC news link is an accusation, and your other source is the NY Post. I prefer my one source to your two, in this case. In any event, you seem to be showing a desire to sully the reputation of the BLM, even though their stated goal is to get society to treat people like you better. Why? I guess the question could be: Am I sullying the reputation of BLM or highlighting that it’s not as pristine as one might think? I have a hard time with the organization mainly because it seems to me that their protest became a gateway for riots and destruction in Minneapolis. That and, like an ambulance chasing lawyer, they only seem to be present when they have the opportunity for the most media visibility. Hopefully they are, behind the scenes, actively working to improve living conditions, test scores, graduating rates, and so much more for African Americans but cynically I wonder. Nobody prompted you to highlight BLM's perceived flaws. You offered that up on your own. You choose to stay silent whenever Holiday or Frank bad-mouths them. Frank said their protests in Minneapolis were equivalent to the Jan 6 insurrection (he actually said the BLM event was worse). Frank moaned about cities burning down, and laid this at the feet of BLM. Where were you? I don't recall you getting involved. I directed Frank to another Wikipedia entry, this one named "George Floyd protests in Minneapolis". Interestingly, in the "aftermath" section (5th paragraph) of that entry, it says 17 people were charged with rioting or arson, the majority of which were *WHITE*. One of those people was the guy who set a police station on fire. He was an adherent of the Boogaloo movement, a far-right extremist group trying to start a civil war, hoping to blame it on the BLM (see section for Thursday, May 28). In the months after those riots, support for BLM plummeted. Not because of one subgroup buying a house, but because the right-wing media was on every night blaming the Minnesota arson on the BLM. You didn't notice? Didn't matter that the BLM had overwhelmingly demonstrated peaceably, using their Constitutional right for free speech in a non-violent manner. What mattered is that they were a liberal minority, making them the perfect fall-guy for conservative talking heads. And you seem to be facilitating this message by your participation and lack of it, connected to BLM. At the end of this post of yours, you seem to say the BLM has work to do to gain your trust. I would flip that on its head. If they were judging your body of work on this issue up to now, I'm sure they would think you "need improvement".
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Post by bobinmd on Jun 22, 2024 17:47:01 GMT -5
Sort of like all the Columbia students that were let go with a little slap on the wrist even when they held a janitor against hid will? Spoiled !!!!###$$$!!!ing rich brats. An embarrassment to their parents. And those faculty members participating should’ve been fired immediately. You Democrats are worthless. Blah blah boring non sequitur blah blah Always somebody else’s fault with the 🍊 cultists. ✝️
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 22, 2024 20:54:39 GMT -5
I guess the question could be: Am I sullying the reputation of BLM or highlighting that it’s not as pristine as one might think? I have a hard time with the organization mainly because it seems to me that their protest became a gateway for riots and destruction in Minneapolis. That and, like an ambulance chasing lawyer, they only seem to be present when they have the opportunity for the most media visibility. Hopefully they are, behind the scenes, actively working to improve living conditions, test scores, graduating rates, and so much more for African Americans but cynically I wonder. Nobody prompted you to highlight BLM's perceived flaws. You offered that up on your own. You choose to stay silent whenever Holiday or Frank bad-mouths them. Frank said their protests in Minneapolis were equivalent to the Jan 6 insurrection (he actually said the BLM event was worse). Frank moaned about cities burning down, and laid this at the feet of BLM. Where were you? I don't recall you getting involved. I directed Frank to another Wikipedia entry, this one named "George Floyd protests in Minneapolis". Interestingly, in the "aftermath" section (5th paragraph) of that entry, it says 17 people were charged with rioting or arson, the majority of which were *WHITE*. One of those people was the guy who set a police station on fire. He was an adherent of the Boogaloo movement, a far-right extremist group trying to start a civil war, hoping to blame it on the BLM (see section for Thursday, May 28). In the months after those riots, support for BLM plummeted. Not because of one subgroup buying a house, but because the right-wing media was on every night blaming the Minnesota arson on the BLM. You didn't notice? Didn't matter that the BLM had overwhelmingly demonstrated peaceably, using their Constitutional right for free speech in a non-violent manner. What mattered is that they were a liberal minority, making them the perfect fall-guy for conservative talking heads. And you seem to be facilitating this message by your participation and lack of it, connected to BLM. At the end of this post of yours, you seem to say the BLM has work to do to gain your trust. I would flip that on its head. If they were judging your body of work on this issue up to now, I'm sure they would think you "need improvement". This will come as a shock to you, but I don't read most of what Frank posts and I don't read everything HOLIDAY posts either. Do you really think that people who supported BLM, were swayed by right-wing media? I'm fairly confident that if you drew up a Venn diagram, with one set being BLM supporters and the other set being right-wing media consumers, the set in the middle would not have a huge representation. What mattered to me, was watching people from my adopted community, looting and burning down buildings at night while chanting the same BLM slogans that were heard in the daytime. I'm sure if you were to ask those African Americans if they were a part of the Black Lives Matter movement, they would say "Hell yes!" As a Black conservative, there are probably many areas in which the leaders of the BLM movement and I don't see eye to eye. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I'm sure they won't either. I'm sure that fancy mansion of theirs has quite comfortable beds.
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Post by vbman100 on Jun 23, 2024 8:24:58 GMT -5
Sort of like all the Columbia students that were let go with a little slap on the wrist even when they held a janitor against hid will? Spoiled !!!!###$$$!!!ing rich brats. An embarrassment to their parents. And those faculty members participating should’ve been fired immediately. You Democrats are worthless. You’re crying and whining about Columbia and a janitor and faculty members protesting, wanting them fired, but people dying and being injured on January 6th and the president and members of Congress that orchestrated all that, you treat that like it’s nothing. You haven’t called for any of them to be fired. In fact you want the leader of that to be President.
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