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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 17, 2022 20:08:19 GMT -5
I dont think you can compare volleyball to the WNBA.
WNBA gets so much support from the NBA.
Volleyball just doesnt have that kind of counterpart.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 17, 2022 20:15:15 GMT -5
I dont think you can compare volleyball to the WNBA. WNBA gets so much support from the NBA. Volleyball just doesnt have that kind of counterpart. Right. I don't think the WNBA would have survived 10 years without the NBA's support. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 17, 2022 20:15:26 GMT -5
There’s no professional league for women’s soccer or softball, either. I think it will happen someday, but I don’t think that day is any time soon. Fyi, There is a pro women's soccer league. They’ve had games broadcast on CBS. The wnt players are in the league. I had no idea. I depend on being a voracious reader to know these things and I’ve never seen a single article on wonen’s soccer. Just a huge case of ignorance on my part. |
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Post by bubbrubb on Aug 17, 2022 20:16:13 GMT -5
I dont think you can compare volleyball to the WNBA. WNBA gets so much support from the NBA. Volleyball just doesnt have that kind of counterpart. IMO, if there is any womens sport that could break into the relative mainstream it would be volleyball (if done right, which I dont think it has been). NWSL and WNBA will always be little sister to their male counterparts. WVB would stand on it's own in this country, again IMO. |
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 17, 2022 20:17:00 GMT -5
im probably the biggest harper of this (and of USAV) on this board but to continue on what basil said. there's a lot of factors. I think the biggest factor is money. Obviously someone has to fund it. USA doesnt have the same sort of tax credits/implications that teams in Europe get. There's not a lot of people who will be able to match the salaries of the top Euro and Asian teams. USA Volleyball has no interest in developing any sort of league which is a big blow. All of the pro leagues in europe/asia/south america have big involvement from their federations. The NWSL and WNBA got heavy investment from US Soccer and the NBA. USAV is more interested in how they can make money, aka exploiting kids and their parents in youth volleyball. The USA market is so saturated. There's just too many other entertainment options for people to go after. Countries everywhere dont have to compete with the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NCAA sports. In Turkey, volleyball is the "it" sport, which also crosses over with soccer fans, which helps. The USA itself is a geographic challenge. To establish a pro league, it would be expensive and expansive. It's hard in that facet too. What sort of seed capital do you think would be needed? Something like an 8-team bus league, $4000 salary cap per game, 28 game season (4x each) + playoffs. January to June? Do you realize how stupid this statement is? |
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Post by basil on Aug 17, 2022 20:17:44 GMT -5
DISCLAIMER: I am employing the brain-to-keyboard method and am just writing down ideas that I randomly think of sometimes and am trying to put some stuff together. This would be a dream.
if I had to approach starting one with a nice budget but am still trying to keep paying for stuff in mind:
geographically I'd pick locations that have good crossover between prep hotbeds as well as have collegiate interest
obviously one in Nebraska, probably Omaha. Columbus. Minneapolis. one in Wisconsin, either Milwaukee or Madison. Indianapolis. Kansas City. that's six.
one in Texas, probably Austin? one should be in SoCal so maybe somewhere in Orange County in CA. maybe one in Florida like Orlando, and Atlanta as well.
that's 10 teams, you could maybe add a PNW one or an NYC/northeast one if it gets popular enough or if the desire is there.
10-12 teams with approximately 17-18 players on each would be more than enough to accommodate all of the collegiate talent we have and there would probably be pretty significant international interest if it gets off the ground. would require financial support from a ton of athletics companies from all areas (apparel, nutrition, sports med, etc) as well as USAV. local sponsors too.
Don't do the AU strategy. Do a traditional model with set rosters and try to build community support and a fan following. ideally you could get players to stay/come back home, maybe they played prep there or went to college nearby.
scheduling is tough. overlapping with NCAA isn't exactly something you want but if the league has enough traction I think it might not be a bad idea. even still, FIVB events sometime last into late September? so an off-season could be from October-December and the league could maybe kick off at the NCAA final four and they could do a big event. then play through to like April/May maybe? it would blend a bit with USA but that's okay, they're doing that already from their pro teams overseas. then it transitions into national team stuff for the summer.
again, fever dream. I don't even know if this makes sense I just spewed words onto my keyboard. The key to all this is having the money to do it. Players don't need tens of millions of dollars in salary, but the people planning a league need to find the capital to pay them, cover training/travel expenses, etc. it's all about where the money comes from.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 17, 2022 20:20:45 GMT -5
The biggest factor is they have to get USAV to care.
VolleyballWorld can help with streaming/tv deals. Users in Asia would eat this up if their faves were in it.
But without USAV actively trying to grow the game, it won't matter.
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Post by bubbrubb on Aug 17, 2022 20:21:32 GMT -5
What sort of seed capital do you think would be needed? Something like an 8-team bus league, $4000 salary cap per game, 28 game season (4x each) + playoffs. January to June? Do you realize how stupid this statement is? no i do not, enlighten me |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 17, 2022 20:21:39 GMT -5
DISCLAIMER: I am employing the brain-to-keyboard method and am just writing down ideas that I randomly think of sometimes and am trying to put some stuff together. This would be a dream. if I had to approach starting one with a nice budget but am still trying to keep paying for stuff in mind: geographically I'd pick locations that have good crossover between prep hotbeds as well as have collegiate interest obviously one in Nebraska, probably Omaha. Columbus. Minneapolis. one in Wisconsin, either Milwaukee or Madison. Indianapolis. Kansas City. that's six. one in Texas, probably Austin? one should be in SoCal so maybe somewhere in Orange County in CA. maybe one in Florida like Orlando, and Atlanta as well. that's 10 teams, you could maybe add a PNW one or an NYC/northeast one if it gets popular enough or if the desire is there. 10-12 teams with approximately 17-18 players on each would be more than enough to accommodate all of the collegiate talent we have and there would probably be pretty significant international interest if it gets off the ground. would require financial support from a ton of athletics companies from all areas (apparel, nutrition, sports med, etc) as well as USAV. local sponsors too. Don't do the AU strategy. Do a traditional model with set rosters and try to build community support and a fan following. ideally you could get players to stay/come back home, maybe they played prep there or went to college nearby. scheduling is tough. overlapping with NCAA isn't exactly something you want but if the league has enough traction I think it might not be a bad idea. even still, FIVB events sometime last into late September? so an off-season could be from October-December and the league could maybe kick off at the NCAA final four and they could do a big event. then play through to like April/May maybe? it would blend a bit with USA but that's okay, they're doing that already from their pro teams overseas. then it transitions into national team stuff for the summer. again, fever dream. I don't even know if this makes sense I just spewed words onto my keyboard. The key to all this is having the money to do it. Players don't need tens of millions of dollars in salary, but the people planning a league need to find the capital to pay them, cover training/travel expenses, etc. I like this basil |
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Post by basil on Aug 17, 2022 20:27:04 GMT -5
The biggest factor is they have to get USAV to care. VolleyballWorld can help with streaming/tv deals. Users in Asia would eat this up if their faves were in it. But without USAV actively trying to grow the game, it won't matter. getting money/support from overseas would be pretty cool I think there would be a good deal of fans following along anyways. *most* of the European teams have their own leagues as well as China/Japan/Korea. our league would obviously be made up of NORCECA players for the most part imo (think USA, Canada, Mexico, Dominican, etc) I think we could generate some interest from Southeast Asian players, especially in the Philippines or Thailand depending on how forgiving foreigner rules are. I also think the idea of playing in America could be attractive to some Europeans, maybe ones who are looking to make a name for themselves or conversely are old and want to just try something new. |
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Post by anastasia1 on Aug 17, 2022 20:33:37 GMT -5
i love reading everyone’s ideas on this! What coaches would yall want to coach?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 17, 2022 20:35:34 GMT -5
i love reading everyone’s ideas on this! What coaches would yall want to coach? that's going to be another issue. good coaches arent going to leave the NCAA. it's going to be hard to entice the europeans cause of the distance and money potentially. |
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Post by basil on Aug 17, 2022 20:41:06 GMT -5
get Winzer to come down here lol
the AU coaches this past season were Tayyiba Haneef-Park, Tama Miyashiro, Joe Trinsey, and Jamie Morrison. not to speak for them, but on paper they could be decent candidates to take a chance on something like this, especially if the latter three are still doing national team stuff during the summer for additional support. I'm sure there are younger coaches in the NCAA that could be interested in making a name for themselves by doing this, or conversely older coaches that are looking to move on from the NCAA and might be interested in giving some time to get this off the ground.
someone like Steve Nash had like zero mainstream coaching roles (aside from consulting part-time with the Warriors) before he got the job at Brooklyn. maybe some college programs might be willing to allow their assistants to join/consult for staffs in the pro league since the seasons wouldn't overlap. that would be more difficult though.
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Post by manyshaped on Aug 17, 2022 20:41:08 GMT -5
i love reading everyone’s ideas on this! What coaches would yall want to coach? alisha glass-childress i would love to see this league have more parity with women coaches |
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 17, 2022 20:43:12 GMT -5
Do you realize how stupid this statement is? no i do not, enlighten me You are going to pay the players on a team a total of $112K for a season. Even with just 12 players per team (likely needs to be more), that is less than 10K per player for an entire season. |
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