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Post by HandeBallerdın on Aug 18, 2022 10:13:08 GMT -5
it is though because of the international competition. None of our big 4 leagues have any international competition, especially financially, so massive parity mechanisms and no relegation work. We would expect if one of our teams could compete with vakifbank than most of the others should at least compete with Ecza. If one MLS team with big support (like Seattle) wanted to go out and sign a team that rivalled Manchester City, they cant because of parity mechanisms. Theyre forced to remain relatively as bad as every other MLS team that can barely compete with the best Mexican teams. Thats my point. Lol. No competition would imply that there aren't leagues in other parts of the world. That is not the case. I see you tried to sneak in "especially financially," as that indicates that there is competition from other parts of the world. It's just that none of those leagues come close to the popularity of the US ones. Also, this is another discussion, but salary caps are very healthy. The NFL is the most profitable league in the world and has had a hard cap for a long time. To take your example, it looks like the MLS salary cap is about $5 million. Manchester United's payroll is close to $300 million. There is not enough interest in domestic soccer in this country to come anywhere near that kind of payroll. And if someone did that, it would probably kill interest in the other MLS clubs who can't compete. not sure what youre clowning me about, as if i made a logical mistake. This is exactly the point i am making. Financially is the competition. Finances come from interest and support. Thats my entire point. Yes pro basketball and baseball exist elsewhere. No one is competing for salary here because theres nowhere close to the level of revenue. MLS yes it keeps itself competitive within its league but the football is terrible. Way more people watch the top international teams, including myself, because its far better. So if you want to create a pro vb league in america just for the sake of having one, prop it up with outside money that never sees ROI, and has parity at the quality level of the turkish second division, im not sure what youre trying to accomplish.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 18, 2022 10:16:51 GMT -5
Lol. No competition would imply that there aren't leagues in other parts of the world. That is not the case. I see you tried to sneak in "especially financially," as that indicates that there is competition from other parts of the world. It's just that none of those leagues come close to the popularity of the US ones. Also, this is another discussion, but salary caps are very healthy. The NFL is the most profitable league in the world and has had a hard cap for a long time. To take your example, it looks like the MLS salary cap is about $5 million. Manchester United's payroll is close to $300 million. There is not enough interest in domestic soccer in this country to come anywhere near that kind of payroll. And if someone did that, it would probably kill interest in the other MLS clubs who can't compete. not sure what youre clowning me about, as if i made a logical mistake. This is exactly the point i am making. Financially is the competition. Finances come from interest and support. Thats my entire point. Yes pro basketball and baseball exist elsewhere. No one is competing for salary here because theres nowhere close to the level of revenue. MLS yes it keeps itself competitive within its league but the football is terrible. Way more people watch the top international teams, including myself, because its far better. So if you want to create a pro vb league in america just for the sake of having one, prop it up with outside money that never sees ROI, and has parity at the quality level of the turkish second division, im not sure what youre trying to accomplish. Yes, and my point is that despite your complaints about the US pro sports model, it manages to support four major leagues (and that's not even including individual sports) that are clearly the top leagues in their respective sports in the world. The MLS is a glorified minor league, though, I won't argue about that. The issue for pro volleyball in this country is lack of interest, not some fundamental flaw with the way major sports leagues are operated. If women's volleyball was even as popular as men's ice hockey is, there would no doubt be a women's pro league using the franchise model that would be doing just fine.
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Post by carsonvega on Aug 18, 2022 11:10:17 GMT -5
The best average attendance numbers for WoSo have been in the US, but Europe has put on a couple "big events" this year and gotten huge attendance numbers for them. The Wembley sellout for the US friendly was spurred on by the England soccer women winning the Euros Sure, but my point is that soccer is absolutely massive in Europe, so there is a lot of potential for interest in women's soccer there. I would say the average attendance being lower than the US is a bit surprising, but many of the men's powers didn't care about their women's programs until very recently. I will admit that the NWSL attendance numbers are better than I would have guessed. Does the LA team really get over 18,000 fans per match? If so, good for them.
I have been to two matches of the LA team (Angel City) this year. To my understanding, Angel City has a lot of season ticket holders, and of course not all of them show up to every match. With that said, the stadium (originally called Banc of California Stadium) has a capacity of 22,000, and both times I was there, it felt at least 2/3s full - so the 18,000 number would be a little over 3/4s full, meaning that there is some dropoff for season tickets paid for and not used, but not a giant amount (especially considering LA has quite a history of incomplete attendance - the Dodgers have lots of fans that skip games entirely or come late/leave early due to work requirements, traffic, etc.) Other anecdotal evidence from the two matches I attended - neither occurred on the night of the season home opener or other big event (so the attendance shouldn't have been unusually high), I had to stand up quite a few times in each match for other people to get past me in my seat, and the LA Metro line station nearest to the stadium was full of fans wearing Angel City merchandise.
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