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Post by Disc808 on Aug 17, 2022 20:45:46 GMT -5
Is anybody on VT a billionaire? Lol
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Post by bubbrubb on Aug 17, 2022 20:47:42 GMT -5
sorry misspoke. Was thinking just over $400-500 per game per player, on average. Maybe top player is like $1,000 per game.
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Post by basil on Aug 17, 2022 20:48:36 GMT -5
Is anybody on VT a billionaire? Lol one day 🤞🏽 lol probably not though where's Soros when you need him someone get one of Elon's kids to be insanely athletic and play volleyball
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Post by bubbrubb on Aug 17, 2022 20:51:33 GMT -5
Is anybody on VT a billionaire? Lol trying..
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Post by baytree on Aug 17, 2022 20:52:37 GMT -5
I use the WNBA to estimate the cost. It seems like the cost of a volleyball league would be comparable. A few articles said the WNBA costs $70 M a year with current losses around 10 M/year. I'd guess the losses would be larger for volleyball, at least for the first few years.
The question is where to get the initial capital and then who would subsidize it over at least 10-20 years, so it has a chance to catch on. Athletics companies would probably help sponsor teams but who else?
How successful was Amazon when it streamed beach volleyball? I guess Bally's owns the AVP now so there is some interest in paying for streaming rights. Would Google (YouTube) or Apple be interested?
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Post by anastasia1 on Aug 17, 2022 20:54:01 GMT -5
would a professional league look something like the NBA/NFL? For example, athletes only playing one year in college and essentially entering a “draft?” Or would the process look different if volleyball had a professional league?
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Post by stevehorn on Aug 17, 2022 20:54:16 GMT -5
The biggest factor is they have to get USAV to care. VolleyballWorld can help with streaming/tv deals. Users in Asia would eat this up if their faves were in it. But without USAV actively trying to grow the game, it won't matter. No the biggest factor is $$$.
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Post by bubbrubb on Aug 17, 2022 20:57:46 GMT -5
I use the WNBA to estimate the cost. It seems like the cost of a volleyball league would be comparable. A few articles said the WNBA costs $70 M a year with current losses around 10 M/year. I'd guess the losses would be larger for volleyball, at least for the first few years. The question is where to get the initial capital and then who would subsidize it over at least 10-20 years, so it has a chance to catch on. Athletics companies would probably help sponsor teams but who else? How successful was Amazon when it streamed beach volleyball? I guess Bally's owns the AVP now so there is some interest in paying for streaming rights. Would Google (YouTube) or Apple be interested? fair enough re: WNBA comparison. I like the idea of a bus league to control some of thsoe costs. No need to have teams all over country just becasue thats what other leagues do. Womans league in Italy is mostly northern-based teams.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Aug 17, 2022 20:59:06 GMT -5
oh boy how much time do you have im probably the biggest harper of this (and of USAV) on this board but to continue on what basil said. there's a lot of factors. I think the biggest factor is money. Obviously someone has to fund it. USA doesnt have the same sort of tax credits/implications that teams in Europe get. There's not a lot of people who will be able to match the salaries of the top Euro and Asian teams. USA Volleyball has no interest in developing any sort of league which is a big blow. All of the pro leagues in europe/asia/south america have big involvement from their federations. The NWSL and WNBA got heavy investment from US Soccer and the NBA. USAV is more interested in how they can make money, aka exploiting kids and their parents in youth volleyball. The USA market is so saturated. There's just too many other entertainment options for people to go after. Countries everywhere dont have to compete with the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NCAA sports. In Turkey, volleyball is the "it" sport, which also crosses over with soccer fans, which helps. The USA itself is a geographic challenge. To establish a pro league, it would be expensive and expansive. It's hard in that facet too. slight quibble: football is way more popular in Turkey than volleyball. Womens VB is a distant second, and similar in popularity to mens basketball there. But it is pretty popular compared to most of the world with vb of course.
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Post by bubbrubb on Aug 17, 2022 21:00:07 GMT -5
The biggest factor is they have to get USAV to care. VolleyballWorld can help with streaming/tv deals. Users in Asia would eat this up if their faves were in it. But without USAV actively trying to grow the game, it won't matter. No the biggest factor is $$$. Agreed. Money overrules everything. Would be curious to see a financial model on this and what seed capital would be needed to sustain for years ahead? some expenses that come to mind - salaries, transport (bus), facilities for practice, facilties for games (3,000+ capacity), insurance, coaching staff (head coach and support), per diem, hotels, admin team, legal/accounting,
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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 17, 2022 21:00:48 GMT -5
im probably the biggest harper of this (and of USAV) on this board but to continue on what basil said. there's a lot of factors. I think the biggest factor is money. Obviously someone has to fund it. USA doesnt have the same sort of tax credits/implications that teams in Europe get. There's not a lot of people who will be able to match the salaries of the top Euro and Asian teams. USA Volleyball has no interest in developing any sort of league which is a big blow. All of the pro leagues in europe/asia/south america have big involvement from their federations. The NWSL and WNBA got heavy investment from US Soccer and the NBA. USAV is more interested in how they can make money, aka exploiting kids and their parents in youth volleyball. The USA market is so saturated. There's just too many other entertainment options for people to go after. Countries everywhere dont have to compete with the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NCAA sports. In Turkey, volleyball is the "it" sport, which also crosses over with soccer fans, which helps. The USA itself is a geographic challenge. To establish a pro league, it would be expensive and expansive. It's hard in that facet too. slight quibble: football is way more popular in Turkey than volleyball. Womens VB is a distant second, and similar in popularity to mens basketball there. But it is pretty popular compared to most of the world with vb of course. I was waiting for you to correct me lol I should asterisk that its the "it" sport because its the biggest sport that Turkey as a whole is competitive in. There's a lot of national pride, compared to soccer where they're middle of the pack.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Aug 17, 2022 21:03:23 GMT -5
The biggest factor is they have to get USAV to care. VolleyballWorld can help with streaming/tv deals. Users in Asia would eat this up if their faves were in it. But without USAV actively trying to grow the game, it won't matter. No the biggest factor is $$$. you can have all of the money in the world but not be successful. All of the leagues around the world have tremendous support from their federations. USAV doesnt care about anything beyond the youth ages.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 17, 2022 21:04:17 GMT -5
Obviously it's possible. The LFL has operated for over ten years without being bank rolled by a men's sport, offering a sport that most gals don't even play. So they have figured out how to make it work with quite a few more built in limitations than volleyball has. So if I were starting up a volleyball league, I'd hitch it to the LFL's wagon. Same arenas and cities, maybe even the same team names.
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Post by HandeBallerdın on Aug 17, 2022 21:04:32 GMT -5
slight quibble: football is way more popular in Turkey than volleyball. Womens VB is a distant second, and similar in popularity to mens basketball there. But it is pretty popular compared to most of the world with vb of course. I was waiting for you to correct me lol I should asterisk that its the "it" sport because its the biggest sport that Turkey as a whole is competitive in. There's a lot of national pride, compared to soccer where they're middle of the pack. fair enough, but yeah the big istanbul teams fill huge stadiums even though recently the teams have sucked in european competition (and the national team flopped in the euros and missed wc qualifying pretty narrowly), the state of the lira has been a big problem there. The vb competitive landscape is far less saturated so it hasnt been as hard for the big teams to compete
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Post by basil on Aug 17, 2022 21:04:51 GMT -5
how much does USA basketball support the NBA? I actually don't know much about that
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