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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 26, 2022 11:56:09 GMT -5
As a relative newbie, I've got a question. The 2021 tournament was one of the first series of volleyball games I've watched online - seeing all the Big Ten teams outperform their seeds (Wisconsin @ 4, Nebraska @ 10, Minnesota @ 12, and unseeded Illinois) combined with how enjoyable BTN and BIG+ are what originally convinced me that teams like Northwestern, Indiana, etc were criminally underrated. Why was the Big Ten overlooked last year, and what has changed in 12 months that now makes the Big Ten properly rated? well, simply it’s because Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc. aren’t Northwestern, Indiana, etc. there’s highs and lows in every conference, and just because the highs are better and deeper, doesn’t always mean the lows are any better.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 26, 2022 11:56:40 GMT -5
So will UCLA have to improve this once they move over or will the Big10 provide it? They’re going to have to do something. Just having thousands of Nebraska and Wisconsin and Minnesota fans in the stands will help increase the energy in the building, but they’ll have to figure out a way to get that energy to come across on screen.
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Post by buckypete on Nov 26, 2022 11:57:12 GMT -5
There is something to be said for the production quality and accessibility. I watched a top-notch broadcast on BTN of Wisconsin/Nebraska, and then I had to fire up a VPN to watch the Pac-12 International YouTube feed for a USC-UCLA game that was a dodgier production than BTN+ does at Rutgers sometimes.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 26, 2022 11:59:34 GMT -5
There is something to be said for the production quality and accessibility. I watched a top-notch broadcast on BTN of Wisconsin/Nebraska, and then I had to fire up a VPN to watch the Pac-12 International YouTube feed for a USC-UCLA game that was a dodgier production than BTN+ does at Rutgers sometimes. if is truly pathetic how poor the quality is for how darn DIFFICULT it is to be able to watch them. truly pathetic. we get next to zero help for our live streams (which is why I’ve had the opportunity to commentate so many games, but still!). And I literally commentate for live streams and STILL don’t have access to watch PAC games that aren’t live streams…
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 26, 2022 11:59:54 GMT -5
As a relative newbie, I've got a question. The 2021 tournament was one of the first series of volleyball games I've watched online - seeing all the Big Ten teams outperform their seeds (Wisconsin @ 4, Nebraska @ 10, Minnesota @ 12, and unseeded Illinois) combined with how enjoyable BTN and BIG+ are what originally convinced me that teams like Northwestern, Indiana, etc were criminally underrated. Why was the Big Ten overlooked last year, and what has changed in 12 months that now makes the Big Ten properly rated? Give it a few more seasons and you’ll learn not to gauge anything based on Illinois’ performance from one match to another.
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Post by BumpSetKill on Nov 26, 2022 12:00:02 GMT -5
As a relative newbie, I've got a question. The 2021 tournament was one of the first series of volleyball games I've watched online - seeing all the Big Ten teams outperform their seeds (Wisconsin @ 4, Nebraska @ 10, Minnesota @ 12, and unseeded Illinois) combined with how enjoyable BTN and BIG+ are what originally convinced me that teams like Northwestern, Indiana, etc were criminally underrated. Why was the Big Ten overlooked last year, and what has changed in 12 months that now makes the Big Ten properly rated? Anything can happen at tournament time, you make a few mistakes and you lose a set, and a match. There isn't a lot of margin for error in volleyball when teams often win at 25-20 and people are commenting that the team easily won that set (really? just 5 points there), so one too many mistakes during a tournament match and you're done --- BUT One thing that B1G fans often like to forget or deny is that the committee is continually B1G biased. B1G teams often get very favorable match ups to help them win those matches --- even if they have a lower seed or unseeded. It's shown time and time again. Also, although B1G teams have had to play each other before in the Tourney, PAC teams have had it happen more often.
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Post by horchato on Nov 26, 2022 12:00:56 GMT -5
As a relative newbie, I've got a question. The 2021 tournament was one of the first series of volleyball games I've watched online - seeing all the Big Ten teams outperform their seeds (Wisconsin @ 4, Nebraska @ 10, Minnesota @ 12, and unseeded Illinois) combined with how enjoyable BTN and BIG+ are what originally convinced me that teams like Northwestern, Indiana, etc were criminally underrated. Why was the Big Ten overlooked last year, and what has changed in 12 months that now makes the Big Ten properly rated? well, simply it’s because Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc. aren’t Northwestern, Indiana, etc. there’s highs and lows in every conference, and just because the highs are better and deeper, doesn’t always mean the lows are any better. Great point, I've just seen Northwestern and Indiana hang in there with T5-10 programs like Nebraska, Minnesota, Ohio State, etc this year and even sneak in a few wins. I'm just puzzled on how reliant volleyball enthusiasts are on RPI and other comparable metrics. I know I'll ultimately come around and learn why, but still confusing to me.
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Post by madden55 on Nov 26, 2022 12:01:59 GMT -5
well, simply it’s because Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc. aren’t Northwestern, Indiana, etc. there’s highs and lows in every conference, and just because the highs are better and deeper, doesn’t always mean the lows are any better. Great point, I've just seen Northwestern and Indiana hang in there with T5-10 programs like Nebraska, Minnesota, Ohio State, etc this year and even sneak in a few wins. I'm just puzzled on how reliant volleyball enthusiasts are on RPI and other comparable metrics. I know I'll ultimately come around and learn why, but still confusing to me. I’d also argue that while the top of the big ten is still very good it’s weaker compared to how it used to be
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 26, 2022 12:02:31 GMT -5
There is something to be said for the production quality and accessibility. I watched a top-notch broadcast on BTN of Wisconsin/Nebraska, and then I had to fire up a VPN to watch the Pac-12 International YouTube feed for a USC-UCLA game that was a dodgier production than BTN+ does at Rutgers sometimes. if is truly pathetic how poor the quality is for how darn DIFFICULT it is to be able to watch them. truly pathetic. we get next to zero help for our live streams (which is why I’ve had the opportunity to commentate so many games, but still!). And I literally commentate for live streams and STILL don’t have access to watch PAC games that aren’t live streams… Did we ever figure out what was going on that one match where it was two separate commentators talking over each other from different locations? Or the one where it kept playing the same four plays on a loop then jumping to commercial? You do a fabulous job commentating by the way. Hopefully you’ve got more gigs lined up in the future?
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 26, 2022 12:03:45 GMT -5
well, simply it’s because Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc. aren’t Northwestern, Indiana, etc. there’s highs and lows in every conference, and just because the highs are better and deeper, doesn’t always mean the lows are any better. Great point, I've just seen Northwestern and Indiana hang in there with T5-10 programs like Nebraska, Minnesota, Ohio State, etc this year and even sneak in a few wins. I'm just puzzled on how reliant volleyball enthusiasts are on RPI and other comparable metrics. I know I'll ultimately come around and learn why, but still confusing to me. yeah Ohio State has fallen off the rails, idk what happened there. NW has pushed and beaten teams and are clearly better than their rank but they lost a lot of games due to not having a healthy setter, so that explains that case too.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 26, 2022 12:05:05 GMT -5
Great point, I've just seen Northwestern and Indiana hang in there with T5-10 programs like Nebraska, Minnesota, Ohio State, etc this year and even sneak in a few wins. I'm just puzzled on how reliant volleyball enthusiasts are on RPI and other comparable metrics. I know I'll ultimately come around and learn why, but still confusing to me. I’d also argue that while the top of the big ten is still very good it’s weaker compared to how it used to be I agree and that’s why these mid teams are exposing them more frequently or it feels like they’re closer in talent/skill. It’s an illusion but when you center the B1G as the greatest ever, it seems like the middle tier teams are better when it’s the top that’s worse. Imo
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 26, 2022 12:06:15 GMT -5
if is truly pathetic how poor the quality is for how darn DIFFICULT it is to be able to watch them. truly pathetic. we get next to zero help for our live streams (which is why I’ve had the opportunity to commentate so many games, but still!). And I literally commentate for live streams and STILL don’t have access to watch PAC games that aren’t live streams… Did we ever figure out what was going on that one match where it was two separate commentators talking over each other from different locations? Or the one where it kept playing the same four plays on a loop then jumping to commercial? You do a fabulous job commentating by the way. Hopefully you’ve got more gigs lined up in the future? LMAO nope and nope. baffling right?? and no:/ I have a job in a completely different industry lined up for next year, but I would still love to continue commentating if I got the chance to. I’ll be in the DFW area so maybe I’ll reach out to TCU or North Texas or something?
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Post by horchato on Nov 26, 2022 12:07:56 GMT -5
Great point, I've just seen Northwestern and Indiana hang in there with T5-10 programs like Nebraska, Minnesota, Ohio State, etc this year and even sneak in a few wins. I'm just puzzled on how reliant volleyball enthusiasts are on RPI and other comparable metrics. I know I'll ultimately come around and learn why, but still confusing to me. yeah Ohio State has fallen off the rails, idk what happened there. NW has pushed and beaten teams and are clearly better than their rank but they lost a lot of games due to not having a healthy setter, so that explains that case too. As a Northwestern fan, before injuries to both of our setters that crushed us for 4 very winnable games (Michigan, Indiana, MSU 2x), we were RV and in the 20s for RPI. I actually thought we were fairly ranked then. What I'm more surprised is how other low-mid range Big Ten teams like Indiana, Illinois, etc. were buried by RPI and completely dismissed by early October, when to a new fan like me, they play like teams that belonged in a tournament.
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Post by n00b on Nov 26, 2022 12:11:46 GMT -5
Just wanted to point out that the RPI hurts the PAC more than the B1G. That’s why Pablo was invented. There isn’t enough cross-regionality between games like there is in basketball, this fewer teams existing for the P12 to schedule and inflate their RPI, then like the ACC who places a crap ton of teams who always lose early. (until recently) This isn't a thing for the Pac-12 anymore. The lowest-budget and worst team in the league, Oregon State, only played 3 non-conference opponents from the same TIME ZONE as the Beavers. Power 5 budgets don't require any sort of regional scheduling. West coast mid-majors ARE negatively affected though.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 26, 2022 12:12:34 GMT -5
yeah Ohio State has fallen off the rails, idk what happened there. NW has pushed and beaten teams and are clearly better than their rank but they lost a lot of games due to not having a healthy setter, so that explains that case too. As a Northwestern fan, before injuries to both of our setters that crushed us for 4 very winnable games (Michigan, Indiana, MSU 2x), we were RV and in the 20s for RPI. I actually thought we were fairly ranked then. What I'm more surprised is how other low-mid range Big Ten teams like Indiana, Illinois, etc. were buried by RPI and completely dismissed by early October, when to a new fan like me, they play like teams that belonged in a tournament. didn’t maryland just beat Indiana who just beat Illinois? None of those teams should be touching the tourney this year. haven’t earned it, don’t have the resume this year. sucks but it is what it is
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