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Post by madden55 on Nov 26, 2022 12:29:36 GMT -5
right but you came in being extremely dismissive of other teams in conference and then admitted you don’t know much lol. Don’t act like you were totally innocent and just got attacked for it You got a point - I attempted to backtrack after going too far and tried to be reasonable moving forward. However, ultimately, I was more or less just voicing an opinion, while some users on this site more or less dug into me. Let's all take a step back and enjoy vball I can accept this
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Post by horchato on Nov 26, 2022 12:30:10 GMT -5
NW is such a curious case. I just looked at their pre-conference schedule and it’s not like they lost a ton. They just didn’t have the RPI buffer to lose matches in conference they shouldn’t have lost, sure due to injury. But other teams like Purdue and Kansas went into free fall losing mode and still maintained healthy RPIs. Head scratcher They lost to two non-tournament teams after their setter returned. Sure, Indiana is playing well, but all they had to do was win those two matches and they'd be in. Northwestern rushed back Rousseau to try to go for the tournament, she wasn't fully healthy. Nonetheless, even a 1/2 healthy Rousseau should be beating MSU so that's on NU
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 26, 2022 12:32:05 GMT -5
Okay well now that that’s settled…
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Post by madden55 on Nov 26, 2022 12:33:15 GMT -5
Okay well now that that’s settled… San Diego regional time !
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 26, 2022 12:36:14 GMT -5
Just wanted to point out that the RPI hurts the PAC more than the B1G. That’s why Pablo was invented. There isn’t enough cross-regionality between games like there is in basketball, this fewer teams existing for the P12 to schedule and inflate their RPI, then like the ACC who places a crap ton of teams who always lose early. (until recently) This isn't a thing for the Pac-12 anymore. The lowest-budget and worst team in the league, Oregon State, only played 3 non-conference opponents from the same TIME ZONE as the Beavers. Power 5 budgets don't require any sort of regional scheduling. West coast mid-majors ARE negatively affected though. OSU isn't the lowest budget volleyball team. They've invested a lot (ever since they broke the bank - at the time - to hire Liskevych). Barnard makes more than Ulmer. I think ASU might be the lowest budget team in the conference - maybe Cal.
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Post by horchato on Nov 26, 2022 12:36:18 GMT -5
Would love to get y'all's thoughts on how RPI takes into consideration playing an "in-form" vs "out-of-form" team.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like RPI calculations are only based on W/L paired with a team's overall rating. However, there are definitely spells where teams are just on fire or on a cold streak, and certainly times where teams are 100% healthy or completely depleted.
When the committee places that much weight on RPI, aren't some squads significantly boosted and others seriously penalized? For instance, beating Ohio State in the early stages of the season is worth the same amount as a recent win, even though their gameplay has dropped off significantly.
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Post by madden55 on Nov 26, 2022 12:38:49 GMT -5
Would love to get y'all's thoughts on how RPI takes into consideration playing an "in-form" vs "out-of-form" team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like RPI calculations are only based on W/L paired with a team's overall rating. However, there are definitely spells where teams are just on fire or on a cold streak, and certainly times where teams are 100% healthy or completely depleted. When the committee places that much weight on RPI, aren't some squads significantly boosted and others seriously penalized? For instance, beating Ohio State in the early stages of the season is worth as a recent win, even though their gameplay has dropped off significantly. they say they look at the eye test but meh.
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Post by horchato on Nov 26, 2022 12:40:27 GMT -5
Would love to get y'all's thoughts on how RPI takes into consideration playing an "in-form" vs "out-of-form" team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like RPI calculations are only based on W/L paired with a team's overall rating. However, there are definitely spells where teams are just on fire or on a cold streak, and certainly times where teams are 100% healthy or completely depleted. When the committee places that much weight on RPI, aren't some squads significantly boosted and others seriously penalized? For instance, beating Ohio State in the early stages of the season is worth as a recent win, even though their gameplay has dropped off significantly. they say they look at the eye test but meh. That eye test gotta be worth around nothing considering how the committee is very particular about choosing at-large teams that are higher in RPI
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Post by n00b on Nov 26, 2022 12:42:26 GMT -5
Would love to get y'all's thoughts on how RPI takes into consideration playing an "in-form" vs "out-of-form" team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like RPI calculations are only based on W/L paired with a team's overall rating. However, there are definitely spells where teams are just on fire or on a cold streak, and certainly times where teams are 100% healthy or completely depleted. When the committee places that much weight on RPI, aren't some squads significantly boosted and others seriously penalized? For instance, beating Ohio State in the early stages of the season is worth the same amount as a recent win, even though their gameplay has dropped off significantly. RPI takes "in-form" vs "out-of-form" just as much as the NFL or NBA standings do.
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 26, 2022 12:45:35 GMT -5
Would love to get y'all's thoughts on how RPI takes into consideration playing an "in-form" vs "out-of-form" team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like RPI calculations are only based on W/L paired with a team's overall rating. However, there are definitely spells where teams are just on fire or on a cold streak, and certainly times where teams are 100% healthy or completely depleted. When the committee places that much weight on RPI, aren't some squads significantly boosted and others seriously penalized? For instance, beating Ohio State in the early stages of the season is worth the same amount as a recent win, even though their gameplay has dropped off significantly. It would be an even hotter mess if they went in and said you suck now, so these last three games are worth less to your opponents. RPI is what it is, but it’s math so you can’t really tamper with the formula. You can game it through scheduling but that’s about it. I’d check out the bracket ay2013 drew up with all of the secondary criteria factored in, and how they got there.
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 26, 2022 16:33:22 GMT -5
Would love to get y'all's thoughts on how RPI takes into consideration playing an "in-form" vs "out-of-form" team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like RPI calculations are only based on W/L paired with a team's overall rating. However, there are definitely spells where teams are just on fire or on a cold streak, and certainly times where teams are 100% healthy or completely depleted. why should that matter? Results on the court speak for themselves. Teams that are able to stay healthy (perhaps due to a good strength and conditioning / training regimen) and/or playing well consistently shouldn't be penalized by giving bonuses to other teams by ignoring their "out of form" matches.
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Post by brybast on Nov 26, 2022 19:54:23 GMT -5
Would love to get y'all's thoughts on how RPI takes into consideration playing an "in-form" vs "out-of-form" team. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like RPI calculations are only based on W/L paired with a team's overall rating. However, there are definitely spells where teams are just on fire or on a cold streak, and certainly times where teams are 100% healthy or completely depleted. When the committee places that much weight on RPI, aren't some squads significantly boosted and others seriously penalized? For instance, beating Ohio State in the early stages of the season is worth the same amount as a recent win, even though their gameplay has dropped off significantly. RPI wouldn't pick up the ups and downs within a season. It only reflects total win-loss percentages. The committee can consider the availability of personnel (e.g. due to player injury) as a factor, but of course it's difficult to pinpoint in which cases they actually do so and, if so, to what extent. A team's hot and cold spells during the season, if not related to player availability, are not one of the specifically listed criteria, but that doesn't mean a committee couldn't talk about it.
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Post by gotonemos on Nov 26, 2022 20:26:08 GMT -5
This isn't a thing for the Pac-12 anymore. The lowest-budget and worst team in the league, Oregon State, only played 3 non-conference opponents from the same TIME ZONE as the Beavers. Power 5 budgets don't require any sort of regional scheduling. West coast mid-majors ARE negatively affected though. OSU isn't the lowest budget volleyball team. They've invested a lot (ever since they broke the bank - at the time - to hire Liskevych). Barnard makes more than Ulmer. I think ASU might be the lowest budget team in the conference - maybe Cal. I was looking at this the other day, because I was curious how USD compared to power5 budgets. My numbers are from www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-san-diego/student-life/sports/OSU $1.5M ASU $1.7M Cal $1.7M USD $1.4M
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Post by InfoBot on Nov 26, 2022 20:47:55 GMT -5
OSU isn't the lowest budget volleyball team. They've invested a lot (ever since they broke the bank - at the time - to hire Liskevych). Barnard makes more than Ulmer. I think ASU might be the lowest budget team in the conference - maybe Cal. I was looking at this the other day, because I was curious how USD compared to power5 budgets. My numbers are from www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-san-diego/student-life/sports/OSU $1.5M ASU $1.7M Cal $1.7M USD $1.4M I only skimmed this article so it may specify, but I think I’ve heard in the past that scholarship dollars factor into the expense, so Arizona State, for example, that is significantly lower cost of attendance than San Diego and Cal would have an even bigger discrepancy in discretionary funds.
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Post by Montour Meteor on Nov 27, 2022 8:02:25 GMT -5
I honestly DO think it is the TV production for B1G matches that make teams look better. The camera views, camera lenses, and lighting really do make a difference in showing. PAC matches are often much further away, darker, not high definition -- and B1G is closer and the TV viewer is part of the action -- so it feels like more intense play. It really isn't any more intense. ...and the RPI hurts the PAC teams just the same as the B1G. The RPI has WAY too much weight on opponent records, and needs to have a scale and more depth to its calculations. You can literally have a crappy record and LOST to really good teams and have a great RPI because the combined records to the teams you lost to are so good. OR you can have a really good record and have crappy opponents and have a good, inflated RPI. Both those things happen in the RPI and it's imbalanced. I prefer to look at the recent history of each conference in NCAA play. That eliminates much of the subjectivity.
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