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Post by n00b on Mar 31, 2023 18:23:23 GMT -5
A data point for how volleyball is far behind women's basketball in some aspects.
WNIT vs NIVC Attendance
Finals (1 game)
WNIT: Saturday, Columbia @ Kansas
NIVC: 1,341
Semifinals (2 games)
WNIT: 11,384
NIVC: 716
Quarterfinals (4 games)
WNIT: 13,385
NIVC: 2,389
Sweet 16 (8 games)
WNIT: 18,743
NIVC: 2,029
Round of 32 (16 WNIT games, 8 NIVC sessions)
WNIT: 33,483
NIVC: 3,267
Round of 64 (32 games)
WNIT: 44,427
NIVC: Not played
That's over 100,000 MORE attendees at the WNIT than the NIVC. Part of this is self-inflicted by volleyball coaches by and large not embracing this event. It's an opportunity lost in my opinon.
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Post by commar2013 on Mar 31, 2023 18:40:53 GMT -5
In regards to coaches not embracing it, I think a big part of it (and this is my guess because I don't know about women's basketball) but you have to pay to play/host in the NIVC. I'm just assuming the NIT programs are not fitting the travel/hosting/etc. bills
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Post by n00b on Mar 31, 2023 19:01:00 GMT -5
In regards to coaches not embracing it, I think a big part of it (and this is my guess because I don't know about women's basketball) but you have to pay to play/host in the NIVC. I'm just assuming the NIT programs are not fitting the travel/hosting/etc. bills Yes they are. And I only know this because I heard the typical complaining from WBB coaches that they have to pay for their own expenses while the men don’t. And I’m talking mostly about Power 5 programs. Their decision to not participate is not financial. |
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Post by jayj79 on Mar 31, 2023 19:39:41 GMT -5
Round of 64 (32 games) WNIT: 44,427 NIVC: Not played That's over 100,000 MORE attendees at the WNIT than the NIVC. Part of this is self-inflicted by volleyball coaches by and large not embracing this event. It's an opportunity lost in my opinon. not really a fair comparison when one tournament has 32 more games than the other (well, 31 since the WNIT championship hasn't been played yet) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2023 19:50:03 GMT -5
VB is losing out big time by not playing the best teams available. Coaches should fight for it. Great experience and can help coaches recruit with something to show.
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Post by n00b on Mar 31, 2023 19:59:33 GMT -5
Round of 64 (32 games) WNIT: 44,427 NIVC: Not played That's over 100,000 MORE attendees at the WNIT than the NIVC. Part of this is self-inflicted by volleyball coaches by and large not embracing this event. It's an opportunity lost in my opinon. not really a fair comparison when one tournament has 32 more games than the other (well, 31 since the WNIT championship hasn't been played yet) That round doesn’t exist due to lack of interest. So I do think it’s relevant. The point is the 100,000 more fans are going to WNIT games than NIVC matches. The fact that those 32 games don’t exist is part of the issue. |
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Post by ned3vball on Apr 1, 2023 6:07:37 GMT -5
In regards to coaches not embracing it, I think a big part of it (and this is my guess because I don't know about women's basketball) but you have to pay to play/host in the NIVC. I'm just assuming the NIT programs are not fitting the travel/hosting/etc. bills Yes they are. And I only know this because I heard the typical complaining from WBB coaches that they have to pay for their own expenses while the men don’t. And I’m talking mostly about Power 5 programs. Their decision to not participate is not financial. There is probably a group of coaches who see it as a lose/lose whether BB or VB. You have had a mediocre year. If you cap it off by having a good run in the 'B' event, people wonder why you didn't play better during the real season. Or, you can make matters much worse for yourself and lose to a school you are embarrassed you even had to play. See, Hofstra over Rutgers in MBB NIT this year. |
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Post by jayj79 on Apr 1, 2023 8:59:33 GMT -5
Or, you can make matters much worse for yourself and lose to a school you are embarrassed you even had to play. See, Hofstra over Rutgers in MBB NIT this year. And this is why people hate P5 schools and their fanbase. way too full of themselves and no respect for smaller schools, even when it is proven that they're more talented |
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Post by n00b on Apr 1, 2023 9:15:46 GMT -5
Yes they are. And I only know this because I heard the typical complaining from WBB coaches that they have to pay for their own expenses while the men don’t. And I’m talking mostly about Power 5 programs. Their decision to not participate is not financial. There is probably a group of coaches who see it as a lose/lose whether BB or VB. You have had a mediocre year. If you cap it off by having a good run in the 'B' event, people wonder why you didn't play better during the real season. Or, you can make matters much worse for yourself and lose to a school you are embarrassed you even had to play. See, Hofstra over Rutgers in MBB NIT this year. So mens basketball coaches have more humility than women’s volleyball coaches? Because Villanova basketball, who has won 2 national championships this decade, was willing to play in the NIT and play a road game at Liberty. |
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Post by ned3vball on Apr 1, 2023 9:36:32 GMT -5
There is probably a group of coaches who see it as a lose/lose whether BB or VB. You have had a mediocre year. If you cap it off by having a good run in the 'B' event, people wonder why you didn't play better during the real season. Or, you can make matters much worse for yourself and lose to a school you are embarrassed you even had to play. See, Hofstra over Rutgers in MBB NIT this year. So mens basketball coaches have more humility than women’s volleyball coaches? Because Villanova basketball, who has won 2 national championships this decade, was willing to play in the NIT and play a road game at Liberty. Not sure where the question comes from, but my guess would be no. Humility is not the first characteristic that comes to mind thinking about P5 MBB coaches. I tried to make a gender neutral comment about why any P5 BB or VB coach might choose to not play in any NIT or NIVC type event. |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Apr 1, 2023 10:12:40 GMT -5
Oh great. Thanks to volleytalk "Attending an NIVC event" has officially found its way onto my bucket list.
Has anyone been to one? What are they like?
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Post by jayj79 on Apr 1, 2023 10:18:29 GMT -5
Oh great. Thanks to volleytalk "Attending an NIVC event" has officially found its way onto my bucket list. Has anyone been to one? What are they like? judging from what I've seen on the streams, some games have raucous, fun environments; while others are rather lacking. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 1, 2023 11:30:01 GMT -5
Oh great. Thanks to volleytalk "Attending an NIVC event" has officially found its way onto my bucket list. Has anyone been to one? What are they like? I distinctly remember South Dakota and Valparaiso really drawing good crowds in their runs to the finals (I think 2019 and 2021 respectively). But then you see Boston College hosting the semis this past fall and only drawing 178. So it’s a mixed bag. |
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 1, 2023 12:14:58 GMT -5
Oh great. Thanks to volleytalk "Attending an NIVC event" has officially found its way onto my bucket list. Has anyone been to one? What are they like? judging from what I've seen on the streams, some games have raucous, fun environments; while others are rather lacking. Judging from the attenance numbers, I suspect you can count the former on one hand with the majority in the lacking category. |
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Post by jayj79 on Apr 1, 2023 12:22:00 GMT -5
judging from what I've seen on the streams, some games have raucous, fun environments; while others are rather lacking. Judging from the attenance numbers, I suspect you can count the former on one hand with the majority in the lacking category. seems to describe volleyball crowds in general. There are a handful of programs that get good attendance, then a very sharp dropoff |
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