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Post by vballfreak808 on Feb 8, 2023 16:04:27 GMT -5
Following the retirement of Butler head coach Sharon Clark, former players and assistant coaches anonymously speak up about their experiences with the program and culture under Clark thebutlercollegian.com/2023/02/too-far-for-too-long/Was mentioned in the coaches thread but thought it deserved its own thread
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Post by lotstodo2023 on Feb 8, 2023 16:41:28 GMT -5
Following the retirement of Butler head coach Sharon Clark, former players and assistant coaches anonymously speak up about their experiences with the program and culture under Clark thebutlercollegian.com/2023/02/too-far-for-too-long/Was mentioned in the coaches thread but thought it deserved its own threadThis has been quietly talked about for years and I am glad it finally came to light. That team, those players deserve a safe environment to play volleyball.
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Post by lesmizuno on Feb 8, 2023 16:44:16 GMT -5
Following the retirement of Butler head coach Sharon Clark, former players and assistant coaches anonymously speak up about their experiences with the program and culture under Clark thebutlercollegian.com/2023/02/too-far-for-too-long/Was mentioned in the coaches thread but thought it deserved its own threadThis has been quietly talked about for years and I am glad it finally came to light. That team, those players deserve a safe environment to play volleyball. I’m hoping this gives other programs the courage to speak up. It wasn’t only happening at Butler and is still going on at other institutions.
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Post by katn on Feb 8, 2023 16:50:12 GMT -5
Following the retirement of Butler head coach Sharon Clark, former players and assistant coaches anonymously speak up about their experiences with the program and culture under Clark thebutlercollegian.com/2023/02/too-far-for-too-long/Was mentioned in the coaches thread but thought it deserved its own thread disturbing
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Post by lbcya39 on Feb 8, 2023 17:26:55 GMT -5
Crazy how much of this behavior by coaches is continuing to go on. First it was the WVU players TikToks, now this…blows my mind how much effort is put into recruiting these players and then how they dont put in the same effort to keep them there and build their programs.
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Post by n00b on Feb 8, 2023 17:53:10 GMT -5
I’m torn on this.
I think Sharon was a bad coach. I think Butler athletes deserve somebody better. She seems disorganized and frankly, kinda mean. But “unsafe” and “disturbing” seem like really big overstatements.
I’m glad Butler is moving on, but this seems a little weak for a full blown expose. Then again, Butler probably wouldn’t let go of a minority female coach with a decent win loss record and who was recently president of the AVCA unless there is a public story about her.
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Post by redcard on Feb 8, 2023 18:55:48 GMT -5
Crazy how much of this behavior by coaches is continuing to go on. First it was the WVU players TikToks, now this…blows my mind how much effort is put into recruiting these players and then how they dont put in the same effort to keep them there and build their programs. WVU wasn’t the first….I’m afraid.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Feb 8, 2023 20:18:55 GMT -5
Whatever happened to "floor hug" coach?
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Post by sevb on Feb 8, 2023 21:10:20 GMT -5
Whatever happened to "floor hug" coach? Dinner parties w “smokem if youve gottem”?
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Post by dizzydean on Feb 8, 2023 21:20:06 GMT -5
Whatever happened to "floor hug" coach? Dinner parties w “smokem if youve gottem”? Unfortunately that coach just passed away.
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Post by sevb on Feb 8, 2023 21:21:42 GMT -5
Dinner parties w “smokem if youve gottem”? Unfortunately that coach just passed away. RIP… In that case… Floor Hugs is drinking solo…
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Post by azvb on Feb 8, 2023 21:28:26 GMT -5
I thought this would be a Rick Butler thread.
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Post by bigjohn043 on Feb 8, 2023 21:34:36 GMT -5
Following the retirement of Butler head coach Sharon Clark, former players and assistant coaches anonymously speak up about their experiences with the program and culture under Clark thebutlercollegian.com/2023/02/too-far-for-too-long/Was mentioned in the coaches thread but thought it deserved its own threadI read the whole article and I don't really understand what this is about. The coach told some players that if they wanted to improve and get more playing time they should lose weight. Did they want the coach to lie to them? Coaches tell players of both genders all of the time that they could improve if they lost or gained weight. This is just silly. This isn't about their appearance but about what it will take to make them successful as athletes. Apparently different players were treated differently. Many coaches believe in very few team rules so that you can treat players as individuals and do the right thing when mistakes are made. The best coaches treat players individually because different players need different things. Phil Jackson treated Jordan differently than Rodman differently than other players. That is just the way the world works sometimes. And often perceptions of unfairness or special treatment lack a lot of context. Grow up. I guess there was some confusion about who travels to away games? Sounds abusive to me. Players are shocked that during their recruiting trip the coaches put their best foot forward? And then they went to the AD who wouldn't fire the coach due to abuse? FWIW, the numbers transferring suggest something was wrong here. Not saying it wasn't time to find a new coach. But these wacky claims of abuse suggest that one of the big problems was the athletes that were recruited.
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Post by dizzydean on Feb 8, 2023 21:37:13 GMT -5
Following the retirement of Butler head coach Sharon Clark, former players and assistant coaches anonymously speak up about their experiences with the program and culture under Clark thebutlercollegian.com/2023/02/too-far-for-too-long/Was mentioned in the coaches thread but thought it deserved its own threadI read the whole article and I don't really understand what this is about. The coach told some players that if they wanted to improve and get more playing time they should lose weight. Did they want the coach to lie to them? Coaches tell players of both genders all of the time that they could improve if they lost or gained weight. This is just silly. This isn't about their appearance but about what it will take to make them successful as athletes. Apparently different players were treated differently. Many coaches believe in very few team rules so that you can treat players as individuals and do the right thing when mistakes are made. The best coaches treat players individually because different players need different things. Phil Jackson treated Jordan differently than Rodman differently than other players. That is just the way the world works sometimes. And often perceptions of unfairness or special treatment lack a lot of context. Grow up. I guess there was some confusion about who travels to away games? Sounds abusive to me. Players are shocked that during their recruiting trip the coaches put their best foot forward? And then they went to the AD who wouldn't fire the coach due to abuse? FWIW, the numbers transferring suggest something was wrong here. Not saying it wasn't time to find a new coach. But these wacky claims of abuse suggest that one of the big problems was the athletes that were recruited. I have no idea what was going on, but FWIW, I don’t think this is a particularly well-written article in painting a coherent picture.
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Post by robberplaysvb on Feb 8, 2023 22:33:00 GMT -5
This is the biggest problem with the coaching profession. This is why like referees, coaches will be few and far between in the next 20 years. There are victims, there are bad apples. But if you aren’t willing to attach your name to what you are saying….. send something anonymously…. It’s a crock of crap if you ask me. Stand up for what’s right. Speak your truth. But EVERYONE deserves the right to also defend themselves against allegations. No one can defend themselves against ghosts and pho articles with 0 citation of sources. No one can determine their validity, value, or real intentions. There is ALWAYS 2 sides to a story. Though I have no horse in this race and I have no opinion on the topic…. I have a strong opinion of a trash article meant to destroy someone’s reputation where people are hiding behind anonymous BS and unwilling to stand by what they are saying.
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