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Post by sideou7 on Apr 11, 2023 19:14:05 GMT -5
***EDIT***: Attached below is how the brackets would look like. I made this up with higher seeded teams winning their matches. Check it out. I would get rid of gold series and make them regular pro events. Keep the tour series (maybe change name to qualifying series), format and all to feed the pro events. For pro events, I would run a 2 day single elimination tournament with losers playing for placement purposes. For example, all 1st round losers get dropped into a bracket and duke it out for the 9th-16th (for a 16 team main draw) seeding points. Highest seed plays lowest seed. Winners play winners and losers play losers. 2nd round losers duke it out for the 5th-8th seed. Semi final losers play for 3rd and 4th. This would be 32 matches per gender (only 3 more than a double elim) with each team playing a total of 4 matches no matter what. Why? True seeding and maximum team movement. Pro events would run all day Friday and Saturday. Aside from the 1st round matches that start the tournament, day matches feature loser placement matches. Night matches (big priority) feature teams still in the winners bracket (long wait for 1st round winners, I know). Teams play 2 matches each day. To top it off, a player's party... on a Saturday night  Oh and Manhattan Beach would be the "Championship" event with a 32 team main draw, pool play into a single elimination bracket. 1st in pool straight to quarters, 2nd and 3rd into round of 16. Ok VolleyTalk, pick it apart! But also, what would you do if you ran the AVP? ![]() Attachments:
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Post by poorlambourne on Apr 11, 2023 19:17:20 GMT -5
Pick one streaming platform and stick with it.
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Post by sideou7 on Apr 11, 2023 19:20:52 GMT -5
Pick one streaming platform and stick with it. Truuuuuuue. My first choice would be Youtube TV IF the chat feature was enabled somehow. If not, join VBTV or create own streaming platform with a chat feature. |
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Post by butteryhands on Apr 11, 2023 19:25:00 GMT -5
Have to file bankruptcy when it inevitably failed to make a profit.
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Post by cribbit on Apr 11, 2023 22:17:46 GMT -5
If you get the $$$ to be more than bench warmer in the NBA you suddenly massively increase the talent pool and quality of games
That means actually streaming the games in good quality on all courts
That means better engagement and growth in all levels of the game
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Post by keeweekid on Apr 11, 2023 23:26:58 GMT -5
1) stream all courts
2) have a quirky tournament where top 16 ranked teams qualify but then bigs/defenders are put together via fan vote. Cannot be put with current partner.
3) let coach’s in the box and put microphones on them. Play back some interesting/funny/?? commentary that has nothing to do with strategy.
4) mic the nets. I remember one tournament where that happened and hearing players commentary was interesting.
5) put Ed Ratledge in the commentary booth occasionally as that could be interesting. Same with C. Paterson
6) do some more background on players so audience gets to know them better and therefore more invested in watching certain players.
Have players shoot a day in their life, training session, have a player surprise a fan… something that helps audience connect with players
7) if Chat box in stream, have some giveaways to online watchers.
Even something as basic as 1) what team wins 2) final score.
Must get it exactly right to win. If multiple winners, can have a tiebreak as part of initial guess (duration of match…closest wins). Give away AVP ball.
8) in semis, have the highest seeded of the 2 teams that have yet to lose, pick their opponent in the semis from the 2 teams that came through the losers bracket. Might spice it up a bit.
9) have some night matches. Might get better crowds that are louder. The morning matches do not seen to draw anyone.
But most importantly…get quality streams on more/all courts.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 12, 2023 1:04:57 GMT -5
Limit non-Q play to Friday night, Saturday and Sunday.
Have easily accessible, high-quality streaming.
Run more events, with no major gaps in the May to September schedule.
Nudge some of the dinosaurs out to pasture.
Eliminate tour series.
Penalize players who prioritize international pay beyond a certain point.
Return to traditional beach hotbeds even if that means deficit spending.
Consider multiple events per year in top locations.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Apr 12, 2023 9:08:17 GMT -5
Find a true tour sponsor.
Agree with G2 and Keeweekid, must have night games.
AVP should partner w USAV have a home stadium/facility.
Somewhere where there are hotel nights available.
They could run events there in conjunction with JRs.
Make it a destination.
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Post by butteryhands on Apr 12, 2023 11:07:58 GMT -5
Find a true tour sponsor. Agree with G2 and Keeweekid, must have night games. AVP should partner w USAV have a home stadium/facility. Somewhere where there are hotel nights available. They could run events there in conjunction with JRs. Make it a destination. This is the answer. First, magically find a willing and capable sponsor. Then buy property that is affordable yet somewhat near a large metro area. Build multiple permanent courts and run practically all the events there. Unfortunately that is the most realistic way of getting it to be profitable. |
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Post by Winbabywin on Apr 12, 2023 11:20:47 GMT -5
Just to piggy-back on the permanent site idea; I think that is probably the best long-term investment idea. I would add that it could be a good idea to have multiple sites like this, maybe 8-10 courts with some sort of stands/bleachers. I would not suggest they have ALL of their events at these locations but use it for juniors and some lesser pro events and use these facilities as a steady source of income so they can have the bigger events at their usual locations on actual beaches.
This way they don't have to rely solely on their "main events" for revenue. Maybe each venue could have their own sponsor(s)?
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Post by moderndaycoach on Apr 12, 2023 11:59:51 GMT -5
Just to piggy-back on the permanent site idea; I think that is probably the best long-term investment idea. I would add that it could be a good idea to have multiple sites like this, maybe 8-10 courts with some sort of stands/bleachers. I would not suggest they have ALL of their events at these locations but use it for juniors and some lesser pro events and use these facilities as a steady source of income so they can have the bigger events at their usual locations on actual beaches. This way they don't have to rely solely on their "main events" for revenue. Maybe each venue could have their own sponsor(s)? Anyone who thinks this is the best long term investment idea would lead me to believe you have never operated or managed a designated volleyball facility, let alone one with 8-10 courts. Unless you are able to supplement it with a (big) juniors sand club, while also having indoor courts where you run an indoor juniors club out of the facility, you are limiting your other sources of revenue for the facility leading that building, and business, to be upside down extremely quickly. |
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Post by Winbabywin on Apr 12, 2023 12:11:17 GMT -5
If you've seen some of these volleyball facilities, there are dozens of people playing every single day and night...2's, 3's, 4's, cornhole, a concession stand, tournaments, leagues, etc. Obviously the operator needs to be able to make some money, but the AVP could make a percentage of all volleyball activities or even a percentage of everything. Not to mention the thousands of dollars the AVP would make by having an event there multiple times a year.
I should clarify that this may not be the 1 golden goose answer to all the AVP's money problems, but it could definitely work to provide a revenue stream that they don't have right now.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Apr 12, 2023 12:59:21 GMT -5
If you've seen some of these volleyball facilities, there are dozens of people playing every single day and night...2's, 3's, 4's, cornhole, a concession stand, tournaments, leagues, etc. Obviously the operator needs to be able to make some money, but the AVP could make a percentage of all volleyball activities or even a percentage of everything. Not to mention the thousands of dollars the AVP would make by having an event there multiple times a year. I should clarify that this may not be the 1 golden goose answer to all the AVP's money problems, but it could definitely work to provide a revenue stream that they don't have right now. Like I said, anyone who suggests this has obviously never operated/managed a facility. It just isn't practical, the AVP would want way too big of a cut, and if they handle this in any way shape or form similar to how they run their current operations, it is nothing but a nothing losing venture. Not to mention absolutely none of that works at all without a liquor license and some sort of actual kitchen and not just a concession stand, or a ticketed entry to every single tourney/event they run which would lead to another fight over revenue share of the gate. Dozens of people there daily where the AVP makes thousands of dollars a year off it sounds like a pipe dream two college stoners came up with because they don't want to find real jobs. This might work, but IF it did it would only be for a very short amount of time. I doubt dozens of people daily would even come close to covering the operations overhead in the offseason. |
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Post by Winbabywin on Apr 12, 2023 13:05:09 GMT -5
Ok Eeyore, are you offering any suggestions or just bagging on everyone else's?
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Post by moderndaycoach on Apr 12, 2023 13:17:40 GMT -5
Ok Eeyore, are you offering any suggestions or just bagging on everyone else's? Buddy, I have offered plenty of suggestions over the years and still participate in what would improve the product. I am just pointing out why a permanent facility is just another money loser for the AVP. - The Q should come back and it should be an afternoon thing if you want people who want to come watch their friends play before they lose and possibly get new eyeballs on the actual good Q players that are up and coming instead of hoping for a facebook stream that someone makes public from a private account. - Night matches, people are working, not everyone can have matches up on their screen or pay attention in real time during mornings or afternoons. I very much enjoyed watching the KOC that Friday night while having a beer with the TV on in the garage. - STREAM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE - the Sponsor is a big must, and if you want to go the route of paying out more to entice the better players to play more often, or attract other sports fringe athletes that have a volleyball background, find a sponsor that is solely dedicated to the payouts. "These winners receiving a giant check was made possible by so and so" There are plenty of more things I have said over the years, but these are just a quick few that correlate to what others have already said here. EDIT: Also, not sure how the Eeyore comment makes sense considering the guy suffers from clinical depression and I actively participate in conversation including positives that are happening within the sport. Seems like you were just salty your idea where dozens of people could play cornhole with the AVP making thousands a year was pointed out how it would be an almost instant failure. |
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