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Post by bbg95 on Dec 21, 2023 16:03:39 GMT -5
So my understanding is that the issue is that the Mountain West exit fees are really high. So that's why there has been talk of a reverse merger where some or all of the Mountain West schools (at a minimum, it would have to be enough to vote to waive the exit fees) join the Pac-12 en masse. And in this scenario, Nevarez and the rest of the Mountain West leadership would run the new conference, since they're a million times better than Kliavkoff and company. MWC exit fee is $17M if you provide 1 year notice and $34M if less than 1 year. I guess I was thinking 2 years notice and no exit fee (but that is probably wrong?). In which case - any MWC school could give notice before 6/30/24 and be able to leave the conference with no exit fee for the 2026/27 season. That would fit with the desired 2-year agreement with the WCC for the PAC-2. But this was just my wild guess understanding w/o reading from the 'experts'. I think it would still be $17 million even with 2+ years of notice, but I'm not totally sure. I really doubt it would be zero.
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Post by luckydawg on Dec 21, 2023 20:44:23 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on Dec 21, 2023 21:21:25 GMT -5
So my understanding is that the issue is that the Mountain West exit fees are really high. So that's why there has been talk of a reverse merger where some or all of the Mountain West schools (at a minimum, it would have to be enough to vote to waive the exit fees) join the Pac-12 en masse. And in this scenario, Nevarez and the rest of the Mountain West leadership would run the new conference, since they're a million times better than Kliavkoff and company. MWC exit fee is $17M if you provide 1 year notice and $34M if less than 1 year. I guess I was thinking 2 years notice and no exit fee (but that is probably wrong?). In which case - any MWC school could give notice before 6/30/24 and be able to leave the conference with no exit fee for the 2026/27 season. That would fit with the desired 2-year agreement with the WCC for the PAC-2. But this was just my wild guess understanding w/o reading from the 'experts'. If the conference disbands, the exit fee is $0. So OSU and WSU probably only need to invite 75% of the Mt West to the new Pac-??.
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Post by staticb on Dec 21, 2023 21:51:43 GMT -5
You need a minimum of 9, but supposedly the 6 bottom MWC schools or so have an alliance that it's all or nothing. (Who knows if it holds when you wave enough money in front of their face but...
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 21, 2023 22:33:51 GMT -5
supposedly the 6 bottom MWC schools or so have an alliance that it's all or nothing Yes, well the Big Ten and the PAC-12 had an alliance that neither conference would try to steal teams from the other conference, but we saw what happened there.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 22, 2023 0:39:39 GMT -5
supposedly the 6 bottom MWC schools or so have an alliance that it's all or nothing Yes, well the Big Ten and the PAC-12 had an alliance that neither conference would try to steal teams from the other conference, but we saw what happened there. I believe the Mountain West has some kind of legally binding agreement with the Pac-2 wherein they would pay penalties if they try to only acquire part of the conference. I'm not exactly sure what the terms of that are, and it might make sense to just pay the penalties when the time comes. But the Mountain West seems to have way better lawyers (see how they handled San Diego State) than the Pac-12 (see the lack of a dispute resolution clause in its bylaws) did. Anyway, the "alliance" between the Big Ten, Pac-12 and ACC was a handshake agreement, so it was worth basically nothing.
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Post by JJVb on Dec 22, 2023 14:07:55 GMT -5
Official notice by OSU and WSU mentioning volleyball specifically.
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Post by tomclen on Jan 17, 2024 12:41:38 GMT -5
Comcast is reporting that this past weekend's Chiefs/Dolphins game on Peacock was the most streamed US event ever.
Was George Kliavkoff onto something with his PAC-12 streaming deal that the universities all rejected?
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Post by HappyVolley on Jan 17, 2024 15:32:08 GMT -5
supposedly the 6 bottom MWC schools or so have an alliance that it's all or nothing Yes, well the Big Ten and the PAC-12 had an alliance that neither conference would try to steal teams from the other conference, but we saw what happened there. The "alliance" was nothing more than a handshake deal on what most considered vague goals. I don't recall any prohibition against "stealing teams". It was USC that approached the Big Ten, anyway. UCLA jumped into the deal for obvious reasons. Washington and Oregon approached the Big Ten when it became clear there was a mass rush to the exit by every PAC team except OSU and WSU.
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Post by HappyVolley on Jan 17, 2024 15:32:51 GMT -5
Comcast is reporting that this past weekend's Chiefs/Dolphins game on Peacock was the most streamed US event ever. Was George Kliavkoff onto something with his PAC-12 streaming deal that the universities all rejected? No.
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 17, 2024 16:37:23 GMT -5
Comcast is reporting that this past weekend's Chiefs/Dolphins game on Peacock was the most streamed US event ever. Was George Kliavkoff onto something with his PAC-12 streaming deal that the universities all rejected? Not unless you think that regular season Pac-12 football games are nearly as attractive as NFL playoff games. The NFL is king.
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Post by tomclen on Feb 28, 2024 7:19:21 GMT -5
One day? I look at it now and think it's crazy - almost criminal.
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Post by n00b on Feb 28, 2024 7:54:14 GMT -5
One day? I look at it now and think it's crazy - almost criminal. I rarely say this but thank goodness UMass doesn’t have volleyball. The MAC is one of the few remaining conferences in a reasonable geographic footprint. 12 teams makes for easy logistics with scheduling. Going to 13 and adding a team from Massachusetts would’ve been brutal.
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Post by bbg95 on Feb 28, 2024 12:22:01 GMT -5
Yes, well the Big Ten and the PAC-12 had an alliance that neither conference would try to steal teams from the other conference, but we saw what happened there. The "alliance" was nothing more than a handshake deal on what most considered vague goals. I don't recall any prohibition against "stealing teams". It was USC that approached the Big Ten, anyway. UCLA jumped into the deal for obvious reasons. Washington and Oregon approached the Big Ten when it became clear there was a mass rush to the exit by every PAC team except OSU and WSU. It wasn't part of the official announcement, but I'm pretty sure that not poaching each other's teams was part of the handshake agreement. But handshake agreements are pretty worthless as we saw not long thereafter. As for which party approached the other first, I don't really care about that. I'm fairly certain that USC (with UCLA along for the ride), the Big Ten and FOX all were colluding with each other to make this move happen.
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Post by bbg95 on Feb 28, 2024 12:23:32 GMT -5
Also, this happened a couple weeks ago, but the Pac-2 got rid of Kliavkoff a couple weeks ago. Teresa Gould is his replacement.
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