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Post by outlaw on Aug 30, 2023 14:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Aug 30, 2023 16:06:34 GMT -5
I find that to be an amazing statistical breakdown. Volleydork has posted some links on here in the past. I have loved reading his thoughts on the game. In particular he talks about the best way to rate a serve is by pass receive. Since I absolutely loathe the ace/error ratio that’s constantly cited by mouth breathers as some kind of significant stat for teams and individuals, I loved seeing something that made sense to me. Unfortunately, something like that isn’t readily available in box scores, while aces/errors are, so it is what it is. If I could somehow magically donate some sum of money that was within my means to track points off serve rotation for each individual player I’d do so. I don’t say this without exaggeration. I am convicted it would change the dynamics in all kinds of ways of how volleyball matches are covered. It’s not nearly as good a metric for serving as pass receive, but it’s easy to track and record, and it’s a much more compelling stat for a layperson. And it’s way more valuable than the stupid aces/errors ratio bullsh1t. |
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Post by maigrey on Aug 30, 2023 16:28:54 GMT -5
I don't have a dog in this race. I'm a Badger fan. If the Badgers are not playing, I generally root for the Big 10 to win. Here's my high level take. Minnesota has never recovered from their setting problems. I feel like when they play the other teams it's the other teams that always have the better setter. Yes, the passing was terrible last night. But I'm not just talking about last night. I really think setting is what is holding Minnesota back. I've never been a fan of how Shaffmaster plays. I realize the majority love her and that is great. I have nothing against her personally. I just think Minnesota will never achieve their top goals with her setting. Badger fan here, too, and I agree. There was a lot of hype when Mel came in about her being the next like Bergen Riley, and I never felt that she really lived up to that hype, unfortunately. Also I'm not sure why the Minnesotans say that they don't have any DS positions when they have two backup setters. We played with Izzy as a DS and server for 3 years, I would think Elise or the other backup setter would be a capable DS as well. |
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Post by xlumie on Aug 30, 2023 17:01:39 GMT -5
Yeah, just like it is between Hawaii and all other fan bases, between Nebraska and all other fan bases. And so on. Texas has had recent success, which makes them a target. Also, the playing field for this sport is slanted very much in their favor. Objectively speaking, they should have a bright near-to-mid term future in women's volleyball. That makes their fan base excited. I'm sure that some of them will get carried away in their enthusiasm from time to time. It comes with the territory. I just don't think there is anything intrinsic to that school about this. I live in Austin, go to nearly all their games (not just vb). It is absolutely about Texas. It's about Texas' perspective their state is the best place on earth despite significant evidence to the contrary. They are very different than other fan bases. Wait you live in Texas, go to every UT game (not just VB). But stan Wisconsin? Is it because Wisconsin is your hometown? |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 30, 2023 20:09:25 GMT -5
I live in Austin, go to nearly all their games (not just vb). It is absolutely about Texas. It's about Texas' perspective their state is the best place on earth despite significant evidence to the contrary. They are very different than other fan bases. Wait you live in Texas, go to every UT game (not just VB). But stan Wisconsin? Is it because Wisconsin is your hometown? And undergrad. He sometimes claims to be a Texas fan, but in my opinion doesn't post like it. |
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Post by vollem on Aug 30, 2023 20:54:57 GMT -5
I don't have a dog in this race. I'm a Badger fan. If the Badgers are not playing, I generally root for the Big 10 to win. Here's my high level take. Minnesota has never recovered from their setting problems. I feel like when they play the other teams it's the other teams that always have the better setter. Yes, the passing was terrible last night. But I'm not just talking about last night. I really think setting is what is holding Minnesota back. I've never been a fan of how Shaffmaster plays. I realize the majority love her and that is great. I have nothing against her personally. I just think Minnesota will never achieve their top goals with her setting. Badger fan here, too, and I agree. There was a lot of hype when Mel came in about her being the next like Bergen Riley, and I never felt that she really lived up to that hype, unfortunately. Also I'm not sure why the Minnesotans say that they don't have any DS positions when they have two backup setters. We played with Izzy as a DS and server for 3 years, I would think Elise or the other backup setter would be a capable DS as well. You're either pulling stuff out of your a$s or trying to make things the Gophers look like they don't know their own personnel. Where did you even get that first part? Mel was ragged on since her commitment and it only got worse. Elise and Chloe would not be playing right back like Izzy did, which is the natural fit. And I don't think their passing would be that dramatic of an upgrade if at all, quite frankly. |
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Post by ilikecorn on Aug 30, 2023 21:00:37 GMT -5
First thread of the year to make the list. Didn't take long!
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| | | 1 | | 240 | | 2021 | | National Championship | | Wisconsin vs Nebraska | | 2 |
| 215 |
| 2022 |
| Sweet 16 |
| Nebraska vs Oregon | | 3 |
| 186 |
| 2018 |
| National Championship |
| Stanford vs Nebraska | | 4 |
| 160 |
| 2021 |
| Elite 8 |
| Texas vs Nebraska | | 5 |
| 151 |
| 2022 |
| National Championship |
| Texas vs Louisville | | 6 |
| 146 |
| 2021 |
| Final Four |
| Louisville vs Wisconsin | | 7 |
| 144 |
| 2021 - Spring |
| National Championship |
| Texas vs Kentucky | | 8 |
| 138 |
| 2022 |
| Final Four |
| Texas vs San Diego | | 9 |
| 135 |
| 2022 |
| Elite 8 |
| Louisville vs Oregon | | 10 |
| 124 |
| 2022 |
| Non-Conference |
| Nebraska vs Stanford | | 11 |
| 123 |
| 2022 |
| Elite 8 |
| Wisconsin vs Pittsburgh | | 12 |
| 122 |
| 2022 |
| Final Four |
| Louisville vs Pittsburgh | | 13 |
| 121 |
| 2021 |
| Final Four |
| Pittsburgh vs Nebraska | | 14 |
| 113 |
| 2019 |
| Sweet 16 |
| Nebraska vs Hawai'i |
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| 113 |
| 2021 |
| Sweet 16 |
| Texas vs Washington | | 16 | | 109 |
| 2019 |
| National Championship |
| Stanford vs Wisconsin | | 17 |
| 105 |
| 2023 |
| Non-Conference |
| Texas vs Minnesota | | 18 |
| 103 |
| 2022 |
| Conference |
| Ohio State vs Nebraska
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| 102 |
| 2021 - Spring |
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Post by outlaw on Aug 30, 2023 22:09:28 GMT -5
I find that to be an amazing statistical breakdown. Volleydork has posted some links on here in the past. I have loved reading his thoughts on the game. In particular he talks about the best way to rate a serve is by pass receive. Since I absolutely loathe the ace/error ratio that’s constantly cited by mouth breathers as some kind of significant stat for teams and individuals, I loved seeing something that made sense to me. Unfortunately, something like that isn’t readily available in box scores, while aces/errors are, so it is what it is. If I could somehow magically donate some sum of money that was within my means to track points off serve rotation for each individual player I’d do so. I don’t say this without exaggeration. I am convicted it would change the dynamics in all kinds of ways of how volleyball matches are covered. It’s not nearly as good a metric for serving as pass receive, but it’s easy to track and record, and it’s a much more compelling stat for a layperson. And it’s way more valuable than the stupid aces/errors ratio bullsh1t. Im looking at his other posts, and in the comments of the Florida/Stanford game stat post Zoe Fleck had some pretty scathing criticisms of his metrics. I'll be honest in admitting I don't necessarily understand a lot of the data provided, but mainly posted it here because of the confusion around our passing grades specifically. |
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Post by widdledumpling on Aug 30, 2023 22:11:13 GMT -5
I find that to be an amazing statistical breakdown. Volleydork has posted some links on here in the past. I have loved reading his thoughts on the game. In particular he talks about the best way to rate a serve is by pass receive. Since I absolutely loathe the ace/error ratio that’s constantly cited by mouth breathers as some kind of significant stat for teams and individuals, I loved seeing something that made sense to me. Unfortunately, something like that isn’t readily available in box scores, while aces/errors are, so it is what it is. If I could somehow magically donate some sum of money that was within my means to track points off serve rotation for each individual player I’d do so. I don’t say this without exaggeration. I am convicted it would change the dynamics in all kinds of ways of how volleyball matches are covered. It’s not nearly as good a metric for serving as pass receive, but it’s easy to track and record, and it’s a much more compelling stat for a layperson. And it’s way more valuable than the stupid aces/errors ratio bullsh1t. Im looking at his other posts, and in the comments of the Florida/Stanford game stat post Zoe Fleck had some pretty scathing criticisms of his metrics. I'll be honest in admitting I don't necessarily understand a lot of the data provided, but mainly posted it here because of the confusion around our passing grades specifically. I don't understand the "expected" metric. Expected by whom?? |
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Post by outlaw on Aug 30, 2023 22:20:49 GMT -5
Im looking at his other posts, and in the comments of the Florida/Stanford game stat post Zoe Fleck had some pretty scathing criticisms of his metrics. I'll be honest in admitting I don't necessarily understand a lot of the data provided, but mainly posted it here because of the confusion around our passing grades specifically. I don't understand the "expected" metric. Expected by whom?? By their own coaches? I'm not sure. For example, if JE & co. "expect" Halter to pass a 2.4 and she exceeds/falls short of that number, then her addition or subtraction to that 2.4 is what is recorded. That's what I think in my head, but it doesn't make sense that he can predict what JE & co. actually want Halter (and all other players) to pass. And the same goes for hitting efficiency and assists and every other stat. How does one place a expectation on a player...? |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 30, 2023 22:23:12 GMT -5
Im looking at his other posts, and in the comments of the Florida/Stanford game stat post Zoe Fleck had some pretty scathing criticisms of his metrics. I'll be honest in admitting I don't necessarily understand a lot of the data provided, but mainly posted it here because of the confusion around our passing grades specifically. I don't understand the "expected" metric. Expected by whom?? The way he described it on his website, if I'm remembering correctly, is that it's a subjective measurement done by him based on where the ball is as to what the player should be able to do with it. |
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Post by aardvark on Aug 31, 2023 7:10:13 GMT -5
I live in Austin, go to nearly all their games (not just vb). It is absolutely about Texas. It's about Texas' perspective their state is the best place on earth despite significant evidence to the contrary. They are very different than other fan bases. All fan bases are like that. They tend to be more humble when they haven't won a title yet. But once they do, restraints quickly drop off. Just look at the early commentary in the Wisky/Ark thread where cheeseheads expected their team to trounce the hogs. You would not have seen that from them a few years before. I know that if GT somehow sneaks in and wins a title against all odds, then I'm just going to become a major league supreme ass. Even moreso than I am now. Yes, I know, that's hard to believe. Work with me here. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2023 8:10:23 GMT -5
104 pages?!!!
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Post by nellynel on Aug 31, 2023 8:11:59 GMT -5
This is how Texas fans celebrate volleyball😂 |
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Post by longhorn9214 on Aug 31, 2023 8:31:52 GMT -5
glad to have college volleyball back lol
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