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Post by kiyoat on Nov 14, 2024 15:41:29 GMT -5
Tommies and Jacks are up 4 spots, Pioneers dropped 4, and Roos dropped 3. Really crazy shifts! I'm actually hoping the Roos keep 7th place, because it would be pretty sad to not participate in the tournament you are hosting....
Just points to a hosted neutral site being maybe the better model, I think. Would get more attendance, especially if it was hosted in Omaha or Sioux Falls. And you could have all teams participate.
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Post by JT on Nov 15, 2024 4:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by lovebugsm on Nov 15, 2024 11:15:46 GMT -5
Tommies and Jacks are up 4 spots, Pioneers dropped 4, and Roos dropped 3. Really crazy shifts! I'm actually hoping the Roos keep 7th place, because it would be pretty sad to not participate in the tournament you are hosting.... Just points to a hosted neutral site being maybe the better model, I think. Would get more attendance, especially if it was hosted in Omaha or Sioux Falls. And you could have all teams participate. Or having a tournament with all the teams…… |
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Post by kiyoat on Nov 15, 2024 11:54:29 GMT -5
OK, I think I have a good idea.... (presumptuous, much?) 1 The Summit League Volleyball Tournament (SLVT) has been hosted by the previous year's regular-season winner for the last 15 years (since 2009). 2 It was a "top-4 team" model up until 2013, so for the last six years it has been a "top-6" model. 3 Some home court locations in the Summit are ill-suited to host six teams at once (Vermillion is one of them - teams had to stay at hotels in Sioux Falls and Sioux City). 4 The top 5 attendance records for total tournament attendance are all held by Fargo, Vermillion and Omaha. mostly recent years. They range from 1,879 to 2,953 5 The top 4 attendance records for championship match attendance are also held by Fargo, Vermillion and Omaha. mostly recent years. They range from 951 to 1,615. 6 This year's tournament will likely be poorly attended at Kansas City, who averages 328 a game this year at home. Especially if their team does not qualify. So now for my plan......
Liberty First Credit Union Arena (formerly Ralston Arena) in Ralston, NE could be a neutral site host.- 4,356 capacity for Volleyball (perfect size for this sport and league)
- Could expand the tournament to all Summit Teams.
- There are a good number of Summit fans of other teams living in Omaha (look at the fans at Omaha home matches).
- Already set to host LOVB Pro Volleyball next year, so they will have the right equipment/ seating arrangement
- The dates this year (Nov 22-26) fall between games on the current hockey/volleyball schedule
- No conflict of interest with Creighton/ UNO facilities.
- The city has lots of experience hosting NCAA events.
- Central location in the Summit League, with Interstate connections to all schools
- Great airport/ hotels/ restaurants/ attractions situation
- The interest in VB generally in the city should drive up interest and attendance over time = $$$
- The Summit already has a model for this in the MBB/WBB Summit Tournament in Sioux Falls (the main money-maker for the conference)
So what do you say, Liberty First? Make a bid..... .JPG%3Fformat%3Dwebp%26quality%3D100%26access_token%3DomFng4CY4i8wq1YdfbXaR8WEqGaH6_bo%26width%3D712%26height%3D474%26fit%3Dcover&w=1536&q=75)  |
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Post by kiyoat on Nov 15, 2024 11:59:41 GMT -5
Tommies and Jacks are up 4 spots, Pioneers dropped 4, and Roos dropped 3. Really crazy shifts! I'm actually hoping the Roos keep 7th place, because it would be pretty sad to not participate in the tournament you are hosting.... Just points to a hosted neutral site being maybe the better model, I think. Would get more attendance, especially if it was hosted in Omaha or Sioux Falls. And you could have all teams participate. Or having a tournament with all the teams…… I agree, but that's hard to do with schools hosting. Too many separate hotel requirements, etc. |
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Post by Norah Sus on Nov 15, 2024 12:44:21 GMT -5
I would go to the tournament if it were held in Brookings. Not too far from my stomping grounds and I could visit family as well.
But really I just want the tournament to be in the twin cities!
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Post by JT on Nov 15, 2024 13:14:51 GMT -5
I don’t like randomly rotating hosting (count “last year’s winner” as “random”) but I’ve also never liked the “fixed host” method, unless everyone’s equidistant, and it’s close enough to not be a hassle to go to the neutral site. (The above means that I will complain no matter what, and should be ignored.)  |
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Post by boxcariii on Nov 15, 2024 13:19:55 GMT -5
OK, I think I have a good idea.... (presumptuous, much?) - No conflict of interest with Creighton/ UNO facilities.
- The city has lots of experience hosting NCAA events.
- Central location in the Summit League, with Interstate connections to all schools
- Great airport/ hotels/ restaurants/ attractions situation
- The interest in VB generally in the city should drive up interest and attendance over time = $$$
- The Summit already has a model for this in the MBB/WBB Summit Tournament in Sioux Falls (the main money-maker for the conference)
So what do you say, Liberty First? Make a bid.....
Sorry if they got renumbered, I agree with the other points you brought up. For the record, Liberty First Credit Union Arena was recently sponsored after a decade of being Ralston Arena. I may accidentally interchange the two. 1a. Conflict/lack of one is true. However, this is three miles maybe from Baxter, and I assume there is still a host school, which would be Omaha. Getting to Baxter/Liberty First Arena from the actual Omaha airport is a wash. 1b. Also, assuming Omaha is the host school, they'll want to do it at their arena, Baxter. 2. Omaha has the experience at the Qwest/CLink/Baseball stadium, Ralston does not have this experience. It is a suburb surrounded on 3 sides by Omaha, so there's definitely talent/relationships that can be tapped into. Still, this is a bit of a stretch to say the city of Ralston has experience (they have hosted Maverick sports during the transition, and I think the Olympic Curling Trials/Qualifiers). 3. Agree. Ralston is about 2 miles off of i80 to the south. Omaha's Baxter is the same exit, about 1 mile to the north. 4. The Omaha airport is a bit of a drive from Ralston. The usual facilities used for the NCAA events are downtown/10 minutes from the airport. Since most schools will be driving in, it's probably moot. But it's also a wash between Ralston/Omaha's Baxter. 5. Agreed to a point. Omaha Maverick volleyball doing good over time would help with local eyes. 6. Summit basketball tournament is also unique in that the men's and women's tournament occur at the same time, which attracts more friends and family from all schools. I know soccer is another big sport at Omaha, but that's outdoor vs indoor. I don't know another fall sport that would work well in tandem with volleyball. All this being said, Liberty First Credit Union (fka Ralston Arena) is stumbling home distance from my house (I live in Ralston). I would not oppose this idea. I just think if the Omaha Maverick athletic department pitches this/wants to do something like this, they'll insist on their own venue. Both are hockey first, so, that's kind of a wash on volleyball sight lines. |
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Post by Steve vb on Nov 15, 2024 13:37:06 GMT -5
OK, I think I have a good idea.... (presumptuous, much?) So now for my plan......
Liberty First Credit Union Arena (formerly Ralston Arena) in Ralston, NE could be a neutral site host.Just last night after Omaha's match with Denver, I was thinking that I wish Omaha's volleyball matches were played in the former Ralston Arena. The seats are also closer to the court compared to Baxter Arena. |
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Post by kiyoat on Nov 15, 2024 13:46:03 GMT -5
Yes, I also think Baxter Arena would be a fine host, I just wonder if it would get called into question as a non-neutral location. I like the size of Ralston better, too. Sokol Hall would be good, with better sight lines, but they host women's basketball that time of year.
I think next year attendance records will be shattered in Brookings. I could see the Sanford Pentagon in Sioux Falls considered for a neutral site host, too. They hosted in 2021 during Covid, and have a nice Taraflex floor. The Summit headquarters are actually only a block away from the Pentagon. That arena holds 3,000. The main problem there is that people who complain about the Basketball SLT will really get steamed if the VB one is in Sioux Falls too. Jacks fans would take it over.
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Post by boxcariii on Nov 15, 2024 14:04:11 GMT -5
Yes, I also think Baxter Arena would be a fine host, I just wonder if it would get called into question as a non-neutral location. I like the size of Ralston better, too. Sokol Hall would be good, with better sight lines, but they host women's basketball that time of year. I think next year attendance records will be shattered in Brookings. I could see the Sanford Pentagon in Sioux Falls considered for a neutral site host, too. They hosted in 2021 during Covid, and have a nice Taraflex floor. The Summit headquarters are actually only a block away from the Pentagon. That arena holds 3,000. The main problem there is that people who complain about the Basketball SLT will really get steamed if the VB one is in Sioux Falls too. Jacks fans would take it over. In Omaha, you best specify which Sokol (though in fairness, Sokol Auditorium has also been renamed to The Admiral, I am just old). Creighton plays at DJ Sokol Arena, but they typically host the BEast Volleyball tournament every other year as well. The language is the previous season's championship so long as it they didn't host that year. Then it will go to the runner up. This has insured the BEast Tournament rotates between Creighton/Marquette generally. Back to the Summit though. Is "neutral" that important? They don't do neutral in volleyball currently or in baseball as the baseball tournament is also awarded to the prior season's champion. Feels like a bit of a unnecessary hurdle. |
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Post by kiyoat on Nov 15, 2024 15:02:08 GMT -5
Yeah, you could be right… *shrug*
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Post by JT on Nov 15, 2024 21:54:59 GMT -5
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Post by JT on Nov 17, 2024 2:35:40 GMT -5
kiyoat
Most places/ranks are now fixed (correct me if I'm wrong, kiyoat): - SDSU has 1st place locked, possibly through a tie-breaker if they lose their final match.
- Omaha has 2nd place locked, losing the tie-breaker to SDSU if Omaha wins - and SDSU loses - their final matches.
- USD could fall into a tie for 3rd if they lose Tuesday, and technically they lose that tiebreaker to St Thomas, but it's moot for the tourney seedings.
- St Thomas could tie USD for third (see above), but can't participate in the conference tourney, so bragging rights only.
- If NDSU loses to UND, and Denver beats ORU, then they tie for 5th place. Since they split their head to head matches, and the outcomes were 3-0 / 0-3, I don't know what the next tiebreaker is.
- Kansas City has a lock on 7th place, no matter what happens. Since St Thomas can't play in the tourney, Kansas City gets to play in the tournament they're hosting.
- UND and ORU are fighting for the cellar, and will share it if both win, or both lose, their last match.
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Post by kiyoat on Nov 17, 2024 23:05:50 GMT -5
Yes- I’d say that is all correct!
Tie breakers in the Summit first look at head to head (regardless of sets won)
Second is comparing records against common conference opponents, starting with the highest ranked opponent, and moving down to the next one, etc, (until one team has the better record)
There are other levels to the tiebreaker, but usually it doesn’t go beyond the common opponents.
Iirc, total sets and RPI are the next levels.
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