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Post by beachindoor on Mar 24, 2021 23:34:43 GMT -5
volunteering at the events is fun too  |
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Post by guest2 on Mar 25, 2021 0:51:06 GMT -5
Very interesting. I can see where it is a lot less costly to put on unattended tournaments (personnel/set-up/rental/permit/security costs, etc.), but there is nothing like attending a beach volleyball event in person, and being able to chat with people and feel the camaraderie of enjoying something live with fellow fans. I sure hope only virtual, streamed tournaments don't become the norm! There may not be a travelling tour, or less of one anyway, but no reason not to have fans at events post-Covid. Enthusiastic, engaged fans add a ton to the broadcast, even if the focus is on that rather than the in person experience. I prefer a travelling tour, as I think most people do, but to me whats paramount is more events. A big factor in preventing the fanbase growing is the tour is over and done with before people can get invested, storylines can develop, etc. etc. We usually get 4-5 full field events a year. Get that up to 12-15 and it will be much easier to develop long terms fans. Maybe a few regional stops where the tour stays for 4-5 weeks at a time? If the post about Donald is accurate its good to see him considering some different things, even if not necessarily the things we would all prefer, tour has been stagnant in terms of event growth for a while now |
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Post by KAP on Mar 25, 2021 9:21:13 GMT -5
I'm sure that there are a lot of expenses involved is having fans on site, but I seriously doubt that they would continue the bubble model in the future. Part of the draw of beach volleyball is the lifestyle and accessibility to the players. Take that away, and the sport is dead.
My guess would be that they shoot for more stops in fewer locations. As much as I like the idea of a nationwide tour with a different stop every weekend, it just doesn't make sense to go to all these locations and have to build four courts and a stadium every site just to move it all the next weekend. Maybe they will try to have back-to-back tournaments in the same location so they can get more return on the setup costs.
Champions cup only had two courts (and maybe a warmup court?), and they didn't need to build out the stands. With the small field, they only had 3 days of play for each, and that's including the Q. I see why their costs were so low for Champions Cup.
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Post by ajm on Mar 25, 2021 11:34:43 GMT -5
It seems like the AVP has always struggled with finding the right model and pricing to charge for admission, and that gets even more complicated when working with public beaches. I kind of wonder whether they’d be better off sticking with a small number of semi-permanent structures on private properties to limit their overhead while still allowing a more modest number of fans to attend.
Thinking about something along the lines of that King of the Court event in Utrecht last year.
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Post by sonofdogman on Mar 25, 2021 16:54:18 GMT -5
Just too be clear, no future models are being considered without fans. That was a COVID-19 quarantine situation.
Fans onsite at the champions cup as it was would have been a bonus I believe, though maybe a wash in costs vs expense.
The two significant factors in profitability were increased sponsorship revenue from concentrated and targeted branding built into the cup model and decrease in facility/transportation costs.
While decreasing expenses where possible is great, successful business people know that increasing revenue is the real driver of profitability. Cause it don't matter how much you can trim when you start out skinny...
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Post by beavis on Mar 25, 2021 23:56:00 GMT -5
Wonder how much $$ saved in site rental/permits of NYC/MBO/etc vs ...what looked like renting a parking lot and putting sand down?? I wonder how else champions cup made a profit vs normal beach set-up?? Either more sponsorship $$ came in or reduced expenses I would think. I know, right? I would think the costs of bringing in all that sand and the labor to set up the courts, and then still having to set up facilities for the players and other personnel and pay security, etc. would be rather prohibitive. Then again, being able to achieve the efficiencies of scale by having three tournaments on successive weekends probably helps the bottom line markedly? I would also think it might be harder to attract significant, non-local sponsors when you are only guaranteeing them 3 tourneys (instead of the usual 8 plus AVP Nexts, etc.) would make the sale much harder. But then again, what in the hell do I know!!!  |
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Post by beavis on Mar 26, 2021 1:04:51 GMT -5
Coconut Beach Volleyball Complex is advertising an AVPNext Gold event ($20K prize money) For June 2-4th. (my FB volleyball group is a great source for this info Florida beach volleyball players). Gold events have to be 20K regular Next events have to be 10k. Anyone hear of others? Who is fronting these purses, the event organizers, AVP? These seem like huge prizes post overhead, are all these events charging admission or has the entry fee increased dramatically and they are banking on people wanting to get out and compete again? I think, for example, events like the KOB/QOB down in Tavares Florida benefitted from folks like Organizer Steve and company having a great relationship with a benefactor like the Norelli Family Foundation, who really ponied up big for the prize money. They did not even charge an admission fee for that event, but it was in a location where pretty much everyone had to drive and park, and they did charge for parking. If I remember, we paid for parking at Waupaca Boatride, but I'm guessing the sheer number of teams paying entry fees helped them turn that into an AVP Next event. The AVP Open Beach Nationals down at Sand Key last fall were free as well, but it says that the sponsor was "Visit St. Pete/Clearwater," so no idea who actually puts up that prize money? Those were the three AVP Next Events we went to last year, so that is all I am familiar with. |
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Post by beavis on Mar 26, 2021 1:07:27 GMT -5
volunteering at the events is fun too I'm betting this is my buddy Mike of Mike and Lesa fame, the bestest beach volleyball volunteer on the entire planet!!! |
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Post by hbmb10k on Mar 26, 2021 1:34:34 GMT -5
Coconut Beach Volleyball Complex is advertising an AVPNext Gold event ($20K prize money) For June 2-4th. (my FB volleyball group is a great source for this info Florida beach volleyball players). Gold events have to be 20K regular Next events have to be 10k. Anyone hear of others? 210 Beach San Antonio has AVPNext $15K event in May requiring a $250 registration fee. They should sell that out no problem. |
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AVP 2021?
Mar 26, 2021 7:55:32 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Winbabywin on Mar 26, 2021 7:55:32 GMT -5
$250?! Good LAWD!!
Screw you sponsors, we'll just let the players create that purse. Dang!
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Post by guest2 on Mar 26, 2021 10:09:41 GMT -5
Who is fronting these purses, the event organizers, AVP? These seem like huge prizes post overhead, are all these events charging admission or has the entry fee increased dramatically and they are banking on people wanting to get out and compete again? I think, for example, events like the KOB/QOB down in Tavares Florida benefitted from folks like Organizer Steve and company having a great relationship with a benefactor like the Norelli Family Foundation, who really ponied up big for the prize money. They did not even charge an admission fee for that event, but it was in a location where pretty much everyone had to drive and park, and they did charge for parking. If I remember, we paid for parking at Waupaca Boatride, but I'm guessing the sheer number of teams paying entry fees helped them turn that into an AVP Next event. The AVP Open Beach Nationals down at Sand Key last fall were free as well, but it says that the sponsor was "Visit St. Pete/Clearwater," so no idea who actually puts up that prize money? Those were the three AVP Next Events we went to last year, so that is all I am familiar with. Have any AVPNext events tried charging? I'd be very surprised if any could draw paying fans since the AVP has never had much luck with it outside of a few limited events (the old KOBs sold out a couple times I think) I like that AVPNexts are putting up enough to attract good semi-pro fields, but it seems like the raise in mandatory prize money may price some promoters out? |
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Post by beachindoor on Mar 26, 2021 11:33:18 GMT -5
volunteering at the events is fun too I'm betting this is my buddy Mike of Mike and Lesa fame, the bestest beach volleyball volunteer on the entire planet!!! hahah im not either of them actually! |
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Post by volleyballjim on Mar 26, 2021 16:05:04 GMT -5
Just to be CLEAR, people WILL (and have in the past) PAID for stadium seating, especially finals. It is a misnomer to think fans will not pay for a seat to see the finals (Yes, General Admission also, in addition to courtside, VIP, etc.).
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Post by guest2 on Mar 26, 2021 22:24:31 GMT -5
Just to be CLEAR, people WILL (and have in the past) PAID for stadium seating, especially finals. It is a misnomer to think fans will not pay for a seat to see the finals (Yes, General Admission also, in addition to courtside, VIP, etc.). For a few events here or there as I mentioned, but have there been any instances where paid seating for general admission has been successful over multiple tour events or as a general policy? Because if there had been, why did the AVP repeatedly stop doing it after each attempt? |
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Post by volleyballjim on Mar 27, 2021 1:17:10 GMT -5
Just to be CLEAR, people WILL (and have in the past) PAID for stadium seating, especially finals. It is a misnomer to think fans will not pay for a seat to see the finals (Yes, General Admission also, in addition to courtside, VIP, etc.). For a few events here or there as I mentioned, but have there been any instances where paid seating for general admission has been successful over multiple tour events or as a general policy? Because if there had been, why did the AVP repeatedly stop doing it after each attempt? Thats a good way to look at it as I don't recall a sustained effort at fan revenue from viewing. I DO remember paying like $20 in '08, "which was money" to see the finals at Hermosa. That said, I did talk with Donald Sun a few years ago about "where this was going" and I think he wanted to build the brand up enough to start charging. The number of resets and fallbacks have kept this sport in check for monetizing attendance, but on a nice August day in Manhattan, Sunday, around 2:30 pm, you're going to get that wallet open, THAT, I can assure you . . . ;-) |
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