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Post by beavis on Mar 27, 2021 5:25:54 GMT -5
We have always paid to get in to the FIVB tournaments, but I have sometimes felt that the AVP tourneys are all or nothing. In other words, you can either get in free or pay the big bucks for a box or the VIP seats, but their is no $10-$15 per day option. I think most people would pay that for Friday, Saturday and Sunday day passes, but I could be wrong. And I realize that the Cali beaches may have some type of preclusion on charging general admission, but I never really understood why that is. Obviously, you could not charge folks who want to watch Manhattan from the Pier, but it seems silly that they couldn't charge by the day (or $25 for all three days, etc.) when other events held on the beaches seem to be able to charge?
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Post by beavis on Mar 27, 2021 5:26:53 GMT -5
volunteering at the events is fun too  I'm betting this is my buddy Mike of Mike and Lesa fame, the bestest beach volleyball volunteer on the entire planet!!! Well, I took a shot, beachindoor!!! Thanks for volunteering! |
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Post by guest2 on Mar 27, 2021 13:40:19 GMT -5
For a few events here or there as I mentioned, but have there been any instances where paid seating for general admission has been successful over multiple tour events or as a general policy? Because if there had been, why did the AVP repeatedly stop doing it after each attempt? Thats a good way to look at it as I don't recall a sustained effort at fan revenue from viewing. I DO remember paying like $20 in '08, "which was money" to see the finals at Hermosa. That said, I did talk with Donald Sun a few years ago about "where this was going" and I think he wanted to build the brand up enough to start charging. The number of resets and fallbacks have kept this sport in check for monetizing attendance, but on a nice August day in Manhattan, Sunday, around 2:30 pm, you're going to get that wallet open, THAT, I can assure you . . . ;-) I personally would resist paying for a Sunday, although Saturday I would shell out for. But this was tried back in the day, I think I may have payed for a Belmar event once, and I definitely paid for the KOB at Disney - the one AJ won - but it led to a lot of empty or semi-empty venues and the sport was much more popular then. I think the most successful model would be something like they have now, where its a blend, certain seats and/or courts for free, premium stuff you pay, but not excessively. I think the real key to monetizing is food and drinks, although I understand that has been getting better? One big suggestion I would have if Donald does decide to run extended time periods in a single location. Lights and alcohol sales! Not for the whole event but some Friday and Saturday night matches with fans drinking and having fun, would be awesome |
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Post by volleyballjim on Mar 27, 2021 13:48:40 GMT -5
Thats a good way to look at it as I don't recall a sustained effort at fan revenue from viewing. I DO remember paying like $20 in '08, "which was money" to see the finals at Hermosa. That said, I did talk with Donald Sun a few years ago about "where this was going" and I think he wanted to build the brand up enough to start charging. The number of resets and fallbacks have kept this sport in check for monetizing attendance, but on a nice August day in Manhattan, Sunday, around 2:30 pm, you're going to get that wallet open, THAT, I can assure you . . . ;-) I personally would resist paying for a Sunday, although Saturday I would shell out for. But this was tried back in the day, I think I may have payed for a Belmar event once, and I definitely paid for the KOB at Disney - the one AJ won - but it led to a lot of empty or semi-empty venues and the sport was much more popular then. I think the most successful model would be something like they have now, where its a blend, certain seats and/or courts for free, premium stuff you pay, but not excessively. I think the real key to monetizing is food and drinks, although I understand that has been getting better? One big suggestion I would have if Donald does decide to run extended time periods in a single location. Lights and alcohol sales! Not for the whole event but some Friday and Saturday night matches with fans drinking and having fun, would be awesome Yeah, a tiered payment for quality seats certainly would work. Some venues are so packed (eg. Manhattan), they would sell easily; Sacramento, not so much. Lets hope for a schedule soon and I can just see Huntington being scheduled during some day I can not go down there for or something . . . LOL . . . |
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Post by povolley on Mar 27, 2021 13:52:43 GMT -5
Thats a good way to look at it as I don't recall a sustained effort at fan revenue from viewing. I DO remember paying like $20 in '08, "which was money" to see the finals at Hermosa. That said, I did talk with Donald Sun a few years ago about "where this was going" and I think he wanted to build the brand up enough to start charging. The number of resets and fallbacks have kept this sport in check for monetizing attendance, but on a nice August day in Manhattan, Sunday, around 2:30 pm, you're going to get that wallet open, THAT, I can assure you . . . ;-) I personally would resist paying for a Sunday, although Saturday I would shell out for. But this was tried back in the day, I think I may have payed for a Belmar event once, and I definitely paid for the KOB at Disney - the one AJ won - but it led to a lot of empty or semi-empty venues and the sport was much more popular then. I think the most successful model would be something like they have now, where its a blend, certain seats and/or courts for free, premium stuff you pay, but not excessively. I think the real key to monetizing is food and drinks, although I understand that has been getting better? One big suggestion I would have if Donald does decide to run extended time periods in a single location. Lights and alcohol sales! Not for the whole event but some Friday and Saturday night matches with fans drinking and having fun, would be awesome Would love to see AVP under the lights!! |
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Post by ajm on Mar 27, 2021 16:58:29 GMT -5
I personally would resist paying for a Sunday, although Saturday I would shell out for. But this was tried back in the day, I think I may have payed for a Belmar event once, and I definitely paid for the KOB at Disney - the one AJ won - but it led to a lot of empty or semi-empty venues and the sport was much more popular then. I think the most successful model would be something like they have now, where its a blend, certain seats and/or courts for free, premium stuff you pay, but not excessively. I think the real key to monetizing is food and drinks, although I understand that has been getting better? One big suggestion I would have if Donald does decide to run extended time periods in a single location. Lights and alcohol sales! Not for the whole event but some Friday and Saturday night matches with fans drinking and having fun, would be awesome Would love to see AVP under the lights!! Completely agree about night games. I remember they did these at some stops in the early 2000s and they were a blast. I’d much rather pay for Saturday admission. The problem with Sundays, besides fewer games, is that you have to grab a stadium seat early and pretty much stay there all day. If you get up to get a beer or food you risk losing your seat. If they could figure out a better way to maximize food and alcohol sales the admission price wouldn’t be much of an issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2021 22:17:53 GMT -5
Thats a good way to look at it as I don't recall a sustained effort at fan revenue from viewing. I DO remember paying like $20 in '08, "which was money" to see the finals at Hermosa. That said, I did talk with Donald Sun a few years ago about "where this was going" and I think he wanted to build the brand up enough to start charging. The number of resets and fallbacks have kept this sport in check for monetizing attendance, but on a nice August day in Manhattan, Sunday, around 2:30 pm, you're going to get that wallet open, THAT, I can assure you . . . ;-) One big suggestion I would have if Donald does decide to run extended time periods in a single location. Lights and alcohol sales! Not for the whole event but some Friday and Saturday night matches with fans drinking and having fun, would be awesome I am sure the players would love this too. I have always thought that fans at the events were pretty mellow. Would love for a somewhat rowdy crowd on a Friday or Saturday night. Would make for a great atmosphere. |
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Post by guest2 on Mar 28, 2021 0:36:52 GMT -5
Would love to see AVP under the lights!! Completely agree about night games. I remember they did these at some stops in the early 2000s and they were a blast. I’d much rather pay for Saturday admission. The problem with Sundays, besides fewer games, is that you have to grab a stadium seat early and pretty much stay there all day. If you get up to get a beer or food you risk losing your seat. If they could figure out a better way to maximize food and alcohol sales the admission price wouldn’t be much of an issue. Agreed. Im not sure what the thinking is behind the current structure but I'd like to see at least one more round on Sunday. As it is, I agree with all your complaints about why Sunday is not as good as Saturday, although some level of assigned seating on Sunday would alleviate some of those |
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Post by beavis on Mar 28, 2021 2:47:34 GMT -5
Thats a good way to look at it as I don't recall a sustained effort at fan revenue from viewing. I DO remember paying like $20 in '08, "which was money" to see the finals at Hermosa. That said, I did talk with Donald Sun a few years ago about "where this was going" and I think he wanted to build the brand up enough to start charging. The number of resets and fallbacks have kept this sport in check for monetizing attendance, but on a nice August day in Manhattan, Sunday, around 2:30 pm, you're going to get that wallet open, THAT, I can assure you . . . ;-) I personally would resist paying for a Sunday, although Saturday I would shell out for. But this was tried back in the day, I think I may have payed for a Belmar event once, and I definitely paid for the KOB at Disney - the one AJ won - but it led to a lot of empty or semi-empty venues and the sport was much more popular then. I think the most successful model would be something like they have now, where its a blend, certain seats and/or courts for free, premium stuff you pay, but not excessively. I think the real key to monetizing is food and drinks, although I understand that has been getting better? One big suggestion I would have if Donald does decide to run extended time periods in a single location. Lights and alcohol sales! Not for the whole event but some Friday and Saturday night matches with fans drinking and having fun, would be awesome They already have alcohol sales at almost every AVP tourney - have had for a few years now. Some tourneys also have played under the lights - Cincinnati always had it, charged for both day and night sessions, and always attracted a good crowd. Have suggested saving more matches later on Saturday and Sunday for years now - it is never going to happen. Very sad to me, because the biggest turnouts are on the weekends, and by Saturday afternoon, things from several courts going down to just a few, with large numbers of folks unable to squeeze in to see the action on the two remaining outside courts, thus having to watch whatever matches are still going on stadium court. Sunday is much worse from a fan perspective, unless you like crowding into stadium court to watch a total of 5 matches, with large delays between them because they only play every hour and a half. All of those people there to watch volleyball and who would perhaps be really pumped to be able to have the experience of getting up close to see some action on one of the several outside courts, but no matches to watch on Sunday. I have been told that this is never going to change because of players/refs/AVP reps scheduling issues, but I have always thought that the AVP (and FIVB) are really missing out by not creating a better fan experience and having more matches late Saturday, Saturday evening, and on Sundays. |
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Post by guest2 on Mar 28, 2021 5:47:03 GMT -5
I personally would resist paying for a Sunday, although Saturday I would shell out for. But this was tried back in the day, I think I may have payed for a Belmar event once, and I definitely paid for the KOB at Disney - the one AJ won - but it led to a lot of empty or semi-empty venues and the sport was much more popular then. I think the most successful model would be something like they have now, where its a blend, certain seats and/or courts for free, premium stuff you pay, but not excessively. I think the real key to monetizing is food and drinks, although I understand that has been getting better? One big suggestion I would have if Donald does decide to run extended time periods in a single location. Lights and alcohol sales! Not for the whole event but some Friday and Saturday night matches with fans drinking and having fun, would be awesome They already have alcohol sales at almost every AVP tourney - have had for a few years now. Some tourneys also have played under the lights - Cincinnati always had it, charged for both day and night sessions, and always attracted a good crowd. Have suggested saving more matches later on Saturday and Sunday for years now - it is never going to happen. Very sad to me, because the biggest turnouts are on the weekends, and by Saturday afternoon, things from several courts going down to just a few, with large numbers of folks unable to squeeze in to see the action on the two remaining outside courts, thus having to watch whatever matches are still going on stadium court. Sunday is much worse from a fan perspective, unless you like crowding into stadium court to watch a total of 5 matches, with large delays between them because they only play every hour and a half. All of those people there to watch volleyball and who would perhaps be really pumped to be able to have the experience of getting up close to see some action on one of the several outside courts, but no matches to watch on Sunday. I have been told that this is never going to change because of players/refs/AVP reps scheduling issues, but I have always thought that the AVP (and FIVB) are really missing out by not creating a better fan experience and having more matches late Saturday, Saturday evening, and on Sundays. I agree with pretty much all of this and I think there is just too much on Friday. I know you are more of a fan of that because hardcore fans get sort of a private showing, but I'd rather they move the last round of the Q to Friday morning and push everything back a little. (That would also let hardcore fans get to see some Q guys without having to be there 4 days in a row, which is a lot for event the most dedicated) Get more teams Saturday experience that way, make Sunday early a cool thing for dedicated fans and maybe reserved seating on center court for the semis and finals to avoid the need and worry around whether you get a place or not. |
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Post by butteryhands on Mar 28, 2021 7:35:14 GMT -5
If they are going to do something similar to last year then I hope Donald at least chooses to increase the number of teams in the main draw. Although I'll be grateful for anything at this point.
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Post by ajm on Mar 28, 2021 9:53:50 GMT -5
If they are going to do something similar to last year then I hope Donald at least chooses to increase the number of teams in the main draw. Although I'll be grateful for anything at this point. I wonder if the reduced size of the main draw last year was one of the reasons it was profitable. Fewer teams = more matches between teams with recognizable names = more viewers watching the Amazon Prime stream. Also in theory it should lead to closer, more competitive matchups among teams with a chance to win the whole thing. |
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Post by southbay11 on Mar 28, 2021 15:12:31 GMT -5
If they are going to do something similar to last year then I hope Donald at least chooses to increase the number of teams in the main draw. Although I'll be grateful for anything at this point. I wonder if the reduced size of the main draw last year was one of the reasons it was profitable. Fewer teams = more matches between teams with recognizable names = more viewers watching the Amazon Prime stream. Also in theory it should lead to closer, more competitive matchups among teams with a chance to win the whole thing. Yes. Yes. And yes. The 21-10, 21-9 matches were removed. |
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Post by sonofdogman on Mar 28, 2021 19:45:59 GMT -5
Perhaps a new, two round format could be a solution. First round occurs in Thursday and Friday and combines what used to be the qualifier with lower level main draw matches. Two men's and two women's teams emerge victorious from late Friday afternoon/early evening matches to join the top 6 from each gender who are already in round two. Round two is now eight men's and women's teams on Saturday and Sunday, and there can be a decent effort made to split number of matches pretty evenly across the two days.  |
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Post by beachindoor on Apr 2, 2021 14:00:37 GMT -5
avp.com/players/Was looking at this list -- what determines if a player gets added to this?
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