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Post by keeweekid on Apr 27, 2021 19:58:15 GMT -5
Adding to my thoughts (is it bad form to reply to yourself?), if the tournaments are all or mostly in Southern California, so most of the athletes don't have to travel, that also increases the odds that they play. It also helps if COVID restrictions are significantly reduced or over, which (fingers crossed) seems in reach in California right now, where our COVID rates are now the lowest in the country and vaccinations continue to pick up steam. The players do care about tournaments other than the Olympics, even if the Olympics takes on an outsized role. Jake, for example, talked about how much he wants to get his name on the pier along with Taylor, so I can't seem him skipping out on a last chance to play Manhattan. And most if not all of these players love competing. I think even Phil, who clearly hates volleyball now, still enjoys competing. For Phil and others, might be more if fans are allowed at events. I can see a few maybe want to play in front of fans one last time, say a thank you, get one last VB crowd vibe/nostalgia but if the events turn out to be "no fans", then that seems an anti-climatic way to end your career. Especially for Phil that now lives in Florida. Hard to get emotionally invested to fly across the country to play in front of nobody. |
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Post by guest2 on Apr 27, 2021 20:33:37 GMT -5
I don't know - I think those athletes play. AVP events seem to be relatively fun - and relatively easy money - for them. After Rio, they all played, and April even picked up a random partner (a young Kelly Reeves, if I remember right) when Kerri had her dispute with the AVP. Phil and Nick seem like the least likely to play, and they also might play but not take it seriously (see: split-blocking for an entire tournament), but I imagine they would want to finish out the season rather than just abruptly retire after Tokyo. It would also be a bit of a retirement tour for Jake and anyone else who publicly declares that they're done after this year. April also no-showed Manhattan that year despite no FIVB conflict. Not sure how it works now, but I would guess if Kerri had an appearance fee built into her AVP deal back then that April and probably a few others did as well. May still be the case. |
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Post by ajm on Apr 27, 2021 20:53:35 GMT -5
Speaking of contracts, are any of the players still under the AVP player contract? Seems like that deal might have expired last year.
Plus, the Amazon Prime deal might be up too. I imagine there’s a lot of contractual work to be done to get a 2021 season started.
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Post by beavis on Apr 27, 2021 23:44:23 GMT -5
Don't really seeing a lot of these top players playing AVP after the Olympics. Alix April Jake Phil Nick Can't see them really bothering, unless they are getting appearance fees. They'll be coming off being sequestered in Tokyo. I feel like you are intentionally triggering me now. Certainly the answer to WWSD is often, "hold out for an appearance fee and if you don't get it, don't play" What is "WWSD?" |
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Post by guest2 on Apr 28, 2021 0:00:28 GMT -5
I feel like you are intentionally triggering me now. Certainly the answer to WWSD is often, "hold out for an appearance fee and if you don't get it, don't play" What is "WWSD?" What would Sinjin do? A good rule of thumb to look at when you are concerned with growing the game. (Pre-FIVB Sinjin anyway) |
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Post by beavis on Apr 28, 2021 23:35:18 GMT -5
Gotcha! He sure seems to have picked correctly when he went FIVB instead of AVP!
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Post by KAP on May 4, 2021 11:29:52 GMT -5
Jake/Taylor are at least going to play out the AVP season. Jake said that he wants to get on the Pier with Taylor. I'm not sure Nick will be eager to retire the day after their Olympic run ends. If the AVP does have a series of events after the Olympics, I think we are going to see all the top teams there. If Phil and Jake do hang it up after Tokyo, maybe we would see the Taylor/Nick, team Never Block make another appearance, lol!
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Post by ajm on May 4, 2021 11:41:34 GMT -5
Some interesting AVP financial numbers revealed in Kent Steffes' FB post this week. This is pre-Donald Sun's AVP, but I would imagine the cost of putting on a traditional beach event today would be comparable, if not greater:
"A typical AVP event in 2010 cost about $750 thousand to $1 million to produce all in. Including the “Baywatch Tax”. They paid $350k to produce the television (versus zero in the early 1990’s as I said above) and about $400k in direct event costs (versus as I said above $50k in the 1990’s). There was $250k in prize money and an additional $416k in allocated overhead per tournament. Each tournament cost them roughly $1.5 million per event vs $320,000 per event in the 90’s. Both figures include prize money which was higher in the 90’s, $4 million in 1996 vs $1.25 million in 2010."
The Baywatch Tax he mentions is 15-25% of the total revenue of the event, which goes to the local government.
Also this was interesting:
"Note- I am discussing the US market. The international FIVB Tour has totally different economics. Also, you might be wondering how I know about all this. The sport of Beach Volleyball over the years has always sought out investors or buyers for the tour. Invariably some of these groups would seek me out for my advice. I probably looked at every contract, sponsorship and tv deal from 1990 until 2012, even the ones that were highly dubious. Also, I reviewed most of the financials from those periods as well."
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Post by guest2 on May 5, 2021 15:08:05 GMT -5
Some interesting AVP financial numbers revealed in Kent Steffes' FB post this week. This is pre-Donald Sun's AVP, but I would imagine the cost of putting on a traditional beach event today would be comparable, if not greater: "A typical AVP event in 2010 cost about $750 thousand to $1 million to produce all in. Including the “Baywatch Tax”. They paid $350k to produce the television (versus zero in the early 1990’s as I said above) and about $400k in direct event costs (versus as I said above $50k in the 1990’s). There was $250k in prize money and an additional $416k in allocated overhead per tournament. Each tournament cost them roughly $1.5 million per event vs $320,000 per event in the 90’s. Both figures include prize money which was higher in the 90’s, $4 million in 1996 vs $1.25 million in 2010." The Baywatch Tax he mentions is 15-25% of the total revenue of the event, which goes to the local government. Also this was interesting: "Note- I am discussing the US market. The international FIVB Tour has totally different economics. Also, you might be wondering how I know about all this. The sport of Beach Volleyball over the years has always sought out investors or buyers for the tour. Invariably some of these groups would seek me out for my advice. I probably looked at every contract, sponsorship and tv deal from 1990 until 2012, even the ones that were highly dubious. Also, I reviewed most of the financials from those periods as well." Those figures seem close to the p1440 numbers, if I recall those correctly. Steffes is an interesting guy. Lots of fun posts on the Old School forum from him |
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Post by pepperclove on May 5, 2021 16:21:22 GMT -5
I think I've heard that Amazon actually paid the AVP for TV rights, unlike past deals, so if true, that's a major shift. (Also, I really hope Amazon renews the deal if it's up. Amazon, if you're reading this, I might cancel my Prime membership if you don't have the AVP.)
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Post by boysbeachvolleyball on May 5, 2021 21:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by bombsaway on May 6, 2021 11:54:26 GMT -5
This would be big if it turns out to be true. I don't know how Don continues to get it done but hats off if he pulls off a season with qualifiers this year. Thanks for sharing |
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Post by beachindoor on May 6, 2021 23:49:53 GMT -5
I think they changed it on the site to pending or something like that.
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