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Post by ay2013 on Jul 5, 2023 19:55:35 GMT -5
Are we sure we want to go with ‘anyone’ here? IMO I can't think of a solid college player right now that can translate well into the international game that can pass, SR, dig, and terminate at the same time again on the international level...USA doesn't train early like the other countries.... Well, does USA need to? We've been at least top 5 team in the world for a long time, and in many years, top 2. Those are pretty good results despite college players not getting enough of the requisite training. |
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Post by vballspectator on Jul 5, 2023 19:56:48 GMT -5
I don't think she's THE BEST, but I thought Madi Kubik was a good 6RO OH at Nebraska, curious to see if she improves at the pro level
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Post by JJVb on Jul 5, 2023 20:18:45 GMT -5
okay lets remove her from the list. Wilson may pass even better than that lol 1.63…😭 I have no clue what’s gonna happen with our pins/libs/DSs… but I won’t derail this thread 😂. Hey, sophomore year improvement can occur. We will see. Otherwise lots of littles will be playing lol |
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Post by vballfan17 on Jul 5, 2023 20:48:00 GMT -5
Paige Briggs deserves a mention
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Post by volleyfan8288 on Jul 5, 2023 20:55:36 GMT -5
I don't think she's THE BEST, but I thought Madi Kubik was a good 6RO OH at Nebraska, curious to see if she improves at the pro level Agreed. She’s headed to Italy next season right? I think she has the potential to develop at the international level. |
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Post by vballspectator on Jul 5, 2023 21:09:18 GMT -5
I don't think she's THE BEST, but I thought Madi Kubik was a good 6RO OH at Nebraska, curious to see if she improves at the pro level Agreed. She’s headed to Italy next season right? I think she has the potential to develop at the international level. Yep she's headed to Cuneo, hopefully she gets plenty of playing time |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 5, 2023 21:09:38 GMT -5
IMO I can't think of a solid college player right now that can translate well into the international game that can pass, SR, dig, and terminate at the same time again on the international level...USA doesn't train early like the other countries.... Well, does USA need to? We've been at least top 5 team in the world for a long time, and in many years, top 2. Those are pretty good results despite college players not getting enough of the requisite training. The US will never win the Olympics unless we change how we train our kids from an early ... wait, what's that you say? Oh, currently Olympic champions? Um. Well, as I was saying ... Um ... |
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Post by willswims117 on Jul 5, 2023 21:44:20 GMT -5
I don't think she's THE BEST, but I thought Madi Kubik was a good 6RO OH at Nebraska, curious to see if she improves at the pro level If Kubik can stay consistent and terminate, she has the passing/defense to warrant a spot on this list. Will be interesting how she holds in Italy, could see her having a very high ceiling. |
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Post by babybacksets on Jul 5, 2023 22:09:02 GMT -5
Well, does USA need to? We've been at least top 5 team in the world for a long time, and in many years, top 2. Those are pretty good results despite college players not getting enough of the requisite training. The US will never win the Olympics unless we change how we train our kids from an early ... wait, what's that you say? Oh, currently Olympic champions? Um. Well, as I was saying ... Um ... Eh idk I’m still very pro running the 6-6 at every level until 14s |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 5, 2023 22:12:06 GMT -5
The US will never win the Olympics unless we change how we train our kids from an early ... wait, what's that you say? Oh, currently Olympic champions? Um. Well, as I was saying ... Um ... Eh idk I’m still very pro running the 6-6 at every level until 14s  |
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Post by hammer on Jul 5, 2023 23:54:38 GMT -5
There's also perhaps an underlying assumption here (incorrectly) that servers can actually serve to the designated zone. I don't know that I am making assumptions here - I am suggesting that it is hard/impossible to assume anything from the % of serves received stat - other than who was put in position to serve receive and who wasn't. if servers had no control - then we should see something like 33.3%, 33.3%, 33.3%. But this would assume that all 3 had the exact same responsibility (% of the court to cover). I am wondering why the discrepancy here with Stanford. People who watch them play could probably shed some light. Basically every serve to Oglivie was a mistake by the opposing team. Rubin was sort of unknown so she was tested somewhat, but also Oglivie and Rubin tried to take more of the court as Baird was considered the weakest passer. |
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Post by ilalum92 on Jul 6, 2023 0:32:35 GMT -5
I didn't compile the list to be the best 6 rotation OH - I compiled a list of the best hitters that play 6 rotations. The basic stats that the general public has (like me) - doesn't tell you anything about whether someone is good at serve receive or backrow defense. Probably the most important aspect of the game - and the available stats for this are either non-existent or stink. As for - a lot of chances means you are a bad passer. That isn't the case at all. A bad passer will get virtually no serve receive chances - as the coaches will not put them in position to receive serve. Usually a team will have just 3 per serve - and when I look at the numbers - it would appear that the chances end up being roughly the same for all 3 spots. There is some variability, but usually not something that is huge. Also - one can get more opportunities because they are assigned more than 1/3 of the receive court. Take Zoe Fleck - arguably the best serve receiver in the country last year (certainly among them). She received 28.3% of the serves for Texas last year. Expectation - no team in their right mind would have tried to serve the ball to her - but she still got to over 28% of the serves. Eggleston and Skinner combined for just 30.1% of the serves. Para got a couple dozen and the rest went to DS's. Raina Terry getting 44% of the serves probably does say something. Terry only getting 44% of the serves either says that she was somehow squeezed in a 2 passer formation, or she was not that bad of a passer compared to her libero. Admittedly Terry shouldn't have been part of a two passer formation, but she's not - as one poster put it - "one of the worst passers in recent memory." To be fair, U of I as a whole was really bad passing last year and still was a .500 team in the B1G last year, so if Terry can hold her own in a 3 passer formation next year that team will surprise. Also, 6ro OH's have more than one role in the back row - in addition to being a good enough passer to play 6, they need to defend middle back well and also be a threat on the pipe. My personal opinion with only really seeing the B1G is that Hudson is a very good back row defender and looked better passing than her stats said, her weakness in terms of elite 6ro OH's is actually terminating (she struggled against elite teams). Conversely, Landfair may be an okay passer but she defends middle back like she's 6'5". But terminating from the back row is certainly something she does well. Raina actually had to pass in a 2 person rotation for a lot of the time. Give her props for doing as well as she did. With our terrible passing and predictable offense, she was still the 22nd best OH in country. |
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Post by GoGophs on Jul 6, 2023 6:43:06 GMT -5
What were Jess Mruzik’s numbers like last season? By the eye test she’s a pretty solid 6ro OH. She’s another one I could see having an awesome upcoming season (especially with Podraza setting her)
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 6, 2023 7:53:20 GMT -5
I don't know that I am making assumptions here - I am suggesting that it is hard/impossible to assume anything from the % of serves received stat - other than who was put in position to serve receive and who wasn't. if servers had no control - then we should see something like 33.3%, 33.3%, 33.3%. But this would assume that all 3 had the exact same responsibility (% of the court to cover). I am wondering why the discrepancy here with Stanford. People who watch them play could probably shed some light. Basically every serve to Oglivie was a mistake by the opposing team. Rubin was sort of unknown so she was tested somewhat, but also Oglivie and Rubin tried to take more of the court as Baird was considered the weakest passer. Why don't they DS Baird in the back row? Just not the Stanford way - but seems like they would be an even better college team if they used their DS's more. |
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 6, 2023 8:05:52 GMT -5
Basically every serve to Oglivie was a mistake by the opposing team. Rubin was sort of unknown so she was tested somewhat, but also Oglivie and Rubin tried to take more of the court as Baird was considered the weakest passer. Why don't they DS Baird in the back row? Just not the Stanford way - but seems like they would be an even better college team if they used their DS's more. Their DS's were prominent in the 2021 season and IMO didn't hold their own. At that point you might as well keep Baird in. |
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