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Post by BOBšković on Jul 5, 2023 9:39:35 GMT -5
Saw an interesting post about the lack of strong passing and terminating OH in the college game. Was just wondering who out of next years eligible players would fit this description.
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Post by uofaGRAD on Jul 5, 2023 9:42:29 GMT -5
Harper Murray is coming
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Post by slxpress on Jul 5, 2023 9:49:06 GMT -5
Saw an interesting post about the lack of strong passing and terminating OH in the college game. Was just wondering who out of next years eligible players would fit this description. Not trying to derail your post, but I’m curious which is more effective? Trying to develop an elite terminal hitter into a passable passer, or try to develop an elite passer into a passable terminating OH. Because it seems to me doing that with the many outside hitters in professional leagues is more realistic in some ways than hoping for a savior out of the college ranks. Also, while I don’t follow the club scene, it seems obvious to me the college rules create huge incentives for specialized back row players and deincentivizes developing robust 6 rotation OHs. That said, I go back to my original point. When I think of the college game the most elite OHes are rarely outstanding at passing, and the best passing OHes have relative issues terminating at a high level. To me, I think there’s a systemic issue as much as anything else. But that’s only my opinion. I’m still interested in seeing what names people bring up. One I like on the passing end is Stanford’s Rubin, just to throw a name out there. |
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 5, 2023 9:51:00 GMT -5
Saw an interesting post about the lack of strong passing and terminating OH in the college game. Was just wondering who out of next years eligible players would fit this description. Elia Rubin if she improves offensively, which I mean she has a good arm. She was just a freshman. Stafford has been a strong passer supposedly at the club level and everyone's seen her offensive potential. Jackson from Houston could have a big year statistically. She already has a high KPS and very good passing numbers, her hitting efficiency should go up with more help from some of the transfers. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 5, 2023 10:50:04 GMT -5
Saw an interesting post about the lack of strong passing and terminating OH in the college game. Was just wondering who out of next years eligible players would fit this description. Not trying to derail your post, but I’m curious which is more effective? Trying to develop an elite terminal hitter into a passable passer, or try to develop an elite passer into a passable terminating OH. Because it seems to me doing that with the many outside hitters in professional leagues is more realistic in some ways than hoping for a savior out of the college ranks. Also, while I don’t follow the club scene, it seems obvious to me the college rules create huge incentives for specialized back row players and deincentivizes developing robust 6 rotation OHs. That said, I go back to my original point. When I think of the college game the most elite OHes are rarely outstanding at passing, and the best passing OHes have relative issues terminating at a high level. To me, I think there’s a systemic issue as much as anything else. But that’s only my opinion. I’m still interested in seeing what names people bring up. One I like on the passing end is Stanford’s Rubin, just to throw a name out there. In my mind, neither. Very few combine both, and if you aren't already good at both by 17u, you are unlikely to ever develop both at a high enough level. I think passing is very difficult to learn, and if you have been trained and don't show an aptitude by 17's, the future is not great. They have already separated out the top attackers by that age. There always seem to be "tweeners" that can pass and defend well and still hit successfully at 17's, but even if they translate to some degree in college, they aren't good enough to play a pin in high pros or the Olympic team. Rubin is a good all around player in the mold of McClure. I doubt she will be enough more terminal, and you don't see McClure knocking down the doors at the Olympic training team. Nuneviller and Simo were excellent passers and defenders who could hit in college, but it doesn't translate past that. Going back a bit, Deme Morales and Dominique Thompson were a lot of fun to watch and highly effective in college, but then what? More recently a Paige Flickinger was Texas player of the year and highly effective in club, but much less so after that. In short, the Olympic team cares about metrics at a minimum which already excludes everyone not tall, long and very terminal, then passing skills eliminate most of the rest because they are so hard to learn. Best chance to develop someone is someone who is terminal with the aptitude for passing but never given the chance. Those are very rare. |
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Post by anOPINionATEDbeACH(hookemboo) on Jul 5, 2023 10:58:00 GMT -5
Anna Debeer, Ella Rubin, Jenna Weenas, Charitie Luper, & Caroline Bien (terminal enough)
Landfair is also pretty solid in passing.
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 5, 2023 11:07:57 GMT -5
Anna Debeer, Ella Rubin, Jenna Weenas, Charitie Luper, & Caroline Bien (terminal enough) Landfair is also pretty solid in passing. Debeer and Luper are not really good passers. Wenaas is good at both, not particularly great at either (yet). Bien is not terminal. Landfair was just ok in passing and that was with Mcgraw being an aggressive libero in serve receive. |
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Post by anOPINionATEDbeACH(hookemboo) on Jul 5, 2023 11:11:38 GMT -5
Anna Debeer, Ella Rubin, Jenna Weenas, Charitie Luper, & Caroline Bien (terminal enough) Landfair is also pretty solid in passing. Debeer and Luper are not really good passers. Wenaas is good at both, not particularly great at either (yet). Bien is not terminal. Landfair was just ok in passing and that was with Mcgraw being an aggressive libero in serve receive. Lol, well if none of them are good enough there’s nobody left…. 😭 |
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Post by oldnewbie on Jul 5, 2023 11:20:05 GMT -5
Debeer and Luper are not really good passers. Wenaas is good at both, not particularly great at either (yet). Bien is not terminal. Landfair was just ok in passing and that was with Mcgraw being an aggressive libero in serve receive. Lol, well if none of them are good enough there’s nobody left…. 😭 Literally only 2 of them finished in the top 20 of Volley Dorks list of Top Attacking OHs for last season, so hard to see how there is nobody left. Landfair was 4th and Rubin was 18th. Luper was next at 24th. You are missing a whole lotta names. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 5, 2023 11:20:42 GMT -5
How good were Eva Hudson's passing stats last season? She looked good to me in what I saw her in club.
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 5, 2023 11:27:20 GMT -5
How good were Eva Hudson's passing stats last season? She looked good to me in what I saw her in club. She got off to a rough start but they actually ended up being decent. Similar to Wenaas, in fact. 2.11 / 50.7 GP% |
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Post by bluepenquin on Jul 5, 2023 11:27:41 GMT -5
P5 players with 300 kills, 500 serve receptions, and .250 hitting %:
Taylor Landfair (Minnesota)
Brooke Nuneviller (Oregon)
Claire Hoffman (Washington)
Laura Jansen (Washington State)
Claire Chaussee (Louisville)
Julia Bergmann (Georgia Tech)
Caroline Meuth (Texas A&M)
Taylor Head (Arkansas)
Katie Lukes (San Diego) and McKenna Melville (UCF) did it.
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Post by anOPINionATEDbeACH(hookemboo) on Jul 5, 2023 11:30:37 GMT -5
Lol, well if none of them are good enough there’s nobody left…. 😭 Literally only 2 of them finished in the top 20 of Volley Dorks list of Top Attacking OHs for last season, so hard to see how there is nobody left. Landfair was 4th and Rubin was 18th. Luper was next at 24th. You are missing a whole lotta names. Who would you name ? |
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Post by anastasia1 on Jul 5, 2023 11:32:10 GMT -5
I thought Bergmann was a great 6ro outside in college she has struggled a little bit with the brazilian national team but I am not really surprised by that. I also think Landfair passes fairly well for her size but idk I feel like we will never know how someone will transition from college to the international level.
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 5, 2023 11:33:03 GMT -5
P5 players with 300 kills, 500 serve receptions, and .250 hitting %: Taylor Landfair (Minnesota) Brooke Nuneviller (Oregon) Claire Hoffman (Washington) Laura Jansen (Washington State) Claire Chaussee (Louisville) Julia Bergmann (Georgia Tech) Caroline Meuth (Texas A&M) Taylor Head (Arkansas) Katie Lukes (San Diego) and McKenna Melville (UCF) did it. Hoffman and Bergmann were both high level at passing and getting kills (Though Julia has clearly shown that the latter doesn't necessarily translate at least right away post college if you've watched VNL.) Brooke obviously great passer and by her 5th year could terminate well enough at the college level. Meuth passed a ton of balls for a reason, she was targeted. Poor passer. Jansen and Chuassee were fine. Head is an interesting one. She passed quite well Melville obviously great but lol low key did she ever actually play well offensively against a high level team |
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